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On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 8:54 AM -0700, "Bruno Bonnin" <bbon...@gmail.com> wrote: +1 2016-04-04 17:45 GMT+02:00 DuyHai Doan <doanduy...@gmail.com>: > +1 > > On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 5:41 PM, Victor Manuel Garcia < > victor.gar...@beeva.com> wrote: > > > +1 > > > > 2016-04-04 17:37 GMT+02:00 Ahyoung Ryu <ahyoungry...@gmail.com>: > > > > > BIG +1 for graduating Zeppelin. > > > There is no more reason to delay this. > > > > > > Best, > > > Ahyoung > > > > > > 2016년 4월 5일 (화) 오전 12:08, Luciano Resende <luckbr1...@gmail.com>님이 작성: > > > > > > > +1 on graduating Zeppelin > > > > > > > > On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 4:24 AM, moon soo Lee <m...@apache.org> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > Since last answer from Damien, there hasn't been much discussions > for > > > > > graduation. > > > > > If all concerns are answered and explained well enough, then shell > we > > > > move > > > > > on to the vote? > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > moon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 10:41 AM Corneau Damien < > > cornead...@gmail.com> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Jeff, > > > > > > > > > > > > You can find the list of PPMC here [1], although it doesn't > include > > > the > > > > > > affiliations. > > > > > > We do not currently have commiters only status in the project. > > > > > > > > > > > > Informations about how to become a Committer is inside the > > > Contributing > > > > > > document of the project [2] > > > > > > > > > > > > For the selection, we follow the usual Apache Process: > > > > > > > > > > > > * Discussion on inviting a new member is created on the @private > > > > mailing > > > > > > list (any PPMC can create a discussion) > > > > > > * PPMCs are voting on that thread > > > > > > * If the vote is a success, an invite will be sent to that > person, > > > and > > > > > the > > > > > > result is published on the mailing list if the invite is > accepted. > > > > > > > > > > > > [1] http://incubator.apache.org/projects/zeppelin.html > > > > > > [2] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://github.com/apache/incubator-zeppelin/blob/master/CONTRIBUTING.md#becoming-a-committer > > > > > > On Feb 16, 2016 4:42 PM, "Jeff Steinmetz" < > > > jeffrey.steinm...@gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mainly for clarity (as I may have missed such a summary) - > > > > > > > Is there a summary that exists (or perhaps we could reply here) > > > that > > > > > > > outlines: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What's the process within the zeppelin project to add > additional > > > > > > > Committers and/or PMC members? > > > > > > > Who selects the people for these roles, and is there diversity > > > beyond > > > > > one > > > > > > > affiliation/company in terms of who is selecting additional > > > > committers > > > > > or > > > > > > > PMC members? > > > > > > > Who are all the current PMC members and affiliations? > > > > > > > Who are all the committers and affiliations? > > > > > > > How would we know if you desire more members? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I found this: > > > > > > > http://people.apache.org/committers-by-project.html#incubator > > > > > > > Although - it's one large list with several incubator projects > > vs > > > > > > > zeppelin alone. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best, > > > > > > > Jeff Steinmetz > > > > > > > Principal Architect > > > > > > > Akili Interactive Labs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 2/11/16, 9:31 PM, "moon soo Lee" <m...@apache.org> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Correction > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >And programmer is a requirement of (P)PMC [1]. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >And programmer is not a requirement of (P)PMC [1]. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Thanks, > > > > > > > >moon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 2:30 PM moon soo Lee <m...@apache.org > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Appreciate Amos, for sharing thoughtful concerns. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> If i add more answer, > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> So far, Zeppelin has 8 PPMC from 4 different affiliations. > > And 5 > > > > of > > > > > > them > > > > > > > >> is work in the same company. 3 of them from 3 different > > > > affiliation > > > > > > > invited > > > > > > > >> since it's incubation. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> I personally think all 3 are good programmer, but it may > > depends > > > > on > > > > > > how > > > > > > > >> you define 'programmer'. And programmer is a requirement of > > > (P)PMC > > > > > > [1]. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> In point of view of survival, Zeppelin will still have at > > least > > > 3 > > > > > > > >> different PPMC from 3 different affiliation, in the case of > > all > > > > PPMC > > > > > > > >> disappearing from any particular affiliation. Project still > > able > > > > to > > > > > > make > > > > > > > >> any decisions. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> Diversity of PPMC affiliation is not a requirement of > > graduation > > > > > > > according > > > > > > > >> to this thread [2] (I guess this is the email that Roman > > > mention). > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> I think meaning of 'diversity' is not limited to > affiliation. > > > > > > > 'Diversity' > > > > > > > >> can be location, language, nationality, gender, background, > > > > > > experience, > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > >> so on. In this perspective, I think Zeppelin PPMC are quite > > > > diverse. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> One person could have more commits than others. > > > > > > > >> But that doesn't give more votes because of that. All people > > has > > > > the > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > >> single vote, that's effective particularly making decision > in > > > > Apache > > > > > > > way. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> Regarding diversity of view points, > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> To me, I always see different opinions, ideas on comment of > > > > PR/issue > > > > > > > (most > > > > > > > >> discussions are happening on PR/issue) whether they're > strong > > or > > > > > not, > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > >> most of them, eventually converged. I'd like to see it > > 'mature' > > > > than > > > > > > 'no > > > > > > > >> disagreement'. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> And many different of features and improvements has been > > > discussed > > > > > and > > > > > > > >> contributed from various people/organizations, most of them > > > > actually > > > > > > > not on > > > > > > > >> the roadmap. Thats another form of diversity I can see from > > > > Zeppelin > > > > > > > >> community. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> Although no one blocks post email or leave comment on any > > > > > discussion, > > > > > > If > > > > > > > >> we feel we need more diversity of view point, we can always > > > > improve > > > > > it > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > >> explicitly encourage participating discussion from > Zeppelin's > > > > > > > contribution > > > > > > > >> guide, or by any other way. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> [1] http://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html#pmc > > > > > > > >> [2] http://markmail.org/message/5l5hsygvntcx5fqb > > > > > > > >> < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201507.mbox/%3c20150721204853.gg28...@boudnik.org%3E > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> Thanks, > > > > > > > >> moon > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 11:56 AM Roman Shaposhnik < > > > > > > ro...@shaposhnik.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> wrote: > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 7:39 PM, Amos Elberg < > > > > > amos.elb...@gmail.com> > > > > > > > >>> wrote: > > > > > > > >>> > The one that is a graduation issue, concerns the > diversity > > of > > > > the > > > > > > > PMC, > > > > > > > >>> and > > > > > > > >>> > whether graduation is being rushed. The project still is > > > > largely > > > > > > > >>> centered > > > > > > > >>> > around one individual and company. > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> FWIW: the diversity requirements around company affiliation > > > have > > > > > > been, > > > > > > > >>> if not de-emphasized, but made at least less of a concern > in > > > the > > > > > past > > > > > > > few > > > > > > > >>> years. Search for emails from Roy Fielding on that subject. > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> Another concern that you are raising -- the lack of > diversity > > > of > > > > > view > > > > > > > >>> points > > > > > > > >>> is quite real in my opinion. > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > As another example, I don't think we ever discussed what > to > > > do > > > > > > about > > > > > > > >>> having > > > > > > > >>> > fallen behind the roadmap. Instead of looking at how to > > get > > > to > > > > > > meet > > > > > > > our > > > > > > > >>> > standard, we adjusted the standard. > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> That is, also, strictly speaking not a problem. Interest in > > > > > projects > > > > > > > >>> waxes and wanes > > > > > > > >>> all the time. ASF is not a commercial entity -- we're a > bunch > > > of > > > > > > > >>> volunteers and > > > > > > > >>> lulls are to be excepted. > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> Thanks, > > > > > > > >>> Roman. > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Luciano Resende > > > > http://twitter.com/lresende1975 > > > > http://lresende.blogspot.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > *Victor Manuel Garcia Martinez* > > *Software Engeenier > > * > > > > *+34 672104297 | victor.gar...@beeva.com <victor.gar...@beeva.com>* > > * | victormanuel.garcia.marti...@bbva.com > > <victormanuel.garcia.marti...@bbva.com>* > > > > > > > > <http://www.beeva.com/> > > >
