Hi, Since last answer from Damien, there hasn't been much discussions for graduation. If all concerns are answered and explained well enough, then shell we move on to the vote?
Thanks, moon On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 10:41 AM Corneau Damien <cornead...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Jeff, > > You can find the list of PPMC here [1], although it doesn't include the > affiliations. > We do not currently have commiters only status in the project. > > Informations about how to become a Committer is inside the Contributing > document of the project [2] > > For the selection, we follow the usual Apache Process: > > * Discussion on inviting a new member is created on the @private mailing > list (any PPMC can create a discussion) > * PPMCs are voting on that thread > * If the vote is a success, an invite will be sent to that person, and the > result is published on the mailing list if the invite is accepted. > > [1] http://incubator.apache.org/projects/zeppelin.html > [2] > > https://github.com/apache/incubator-zeppelin/blob/master/CONTRIBUTING.md#becoming-a-committer > On Feb 16, 2016 4:42 PM, "Jeff Steinmetz" <jeffrey.steinm...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > Mainly for clarity (as I may have missed such a summary) - > > Is there a summary that exists (or perhaps we could reply here) that > > outlines: > > > > What's the process within the zeppelin project to add additional > > Committers and/or PMC members? > > Who selects the people for these roles, and is there diversity beyond one > > affiliation/company in terms of who is selecting additional committers or > > PMC members? > > Who are all the current PMC members and affiliations? > > Who are all the committers and affiliations? > > How would we know if you desire more members? > > > > I found this: > > http://people.apache.org/committers-by-project.html#incubator > > Although - it's one large list with several incubator projects vs > > zeppelin alone. > > > > Best, > > Jeff Steinmetz > > Principal Architect > > Akili Interactive Labs > > > > > > > > > > > > On 2/11/16, 9:31 PM, "moon soo Lee" <m...@apache.org> wrote: > > > > >Correction > > > > > >from > > > > > >And programmer is a requirement of (P)PMC [1]. > > > > > >to > > > > > >And programmer is not a requirement of (P)PMC [1]. > > > > > >Thanks, > > >moon > > > > > >On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 2:30 PM moon soo Lee <m...@apache.org> wrote: > > > > > >> Appreciate Amos, for sharing thoughtful concerns. > > >> > > >> If i add more answer, > > >> > > >> So far, Zeppelin has 8 PPMC from 4 different affiliations. And 5 of > them > > >> is work in the same company. 3 of them from 3 different affiliation > > invited > > >> since it's incubation. > > >> > > >> I personally think all 3 are good programmer, but it may depends on > how > > >> you define 'programmer'. And programmer is a requirement of (P)PMC > [1]. > > >> > > >> In point of view of survival, Zeppelin will still have at least 3 > > >> different PPMC from 3 different affiliation, in the case of all PPMC > > >> disappearing from any particular affiliation. Project still able to > make > > >> any decisions. > > >> > > >> Diversity of PPMC affiliation is not a requirement of graduation > > according > > >> to this thread [2] (I guess this is the email that Roman mention). > > >> > > >> I think meaning of 'diversity' is not limited to affiliation. > > 'Diversity' > > >> can be location, language, nationality, gender, background, > experience, > > and > > >> so on. In this perspective, I think Zeppelin PPMC are quite diverse. > > >> > > >> One person could have more commits than others. > > >> But that doesn't give more votes because of that. All people has the > > same > > >> single vote, that's effective particularly making decision in Apache > > way. > > >> > > >> > > >> Regarding diversity of view points, > > >> > > >> To me, I always see different opinions, ideas on comment of PR/issue > > (most > > >> discussions are happening on PR/issue) whether they're strong or not, > > and > > >> most of them, eventually converged. I'd like to see it 'mature' than > 'no > > >> disagreement'. > > >> > > >> And many different of features and improvements has been discussed and > > >> contributed from various people/organizations, most of them actually > > not on > > >> the roadmap. Thats another form of diversity I can see from Zeppelin > > >> community. > > >> > > >> Although no one blocks post email or leave comment on any discussion, > If > > >> we feel we need more diversity of view point, we can always improve it > > by > > >> explicitly encourage participating discussion from Zeppelin's > > contribution > > >> guide, or by any other way. > > >> > > >> [1] http://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html#pmc > > >> [2] http://markmail.org/message/5l5hsygvntcx5fqb > > >> < > > > http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201507.mbox/%3c20150721204853.gg28...@boudnik.org%3E > > > > > >> > > >> Thanks, > > >> moon > > >> > > >> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 11:56 AM Roman Shaposhnik < > ro...@shaposhnik.org > > > > > >> wrote: > > >> > > >>> On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 7:39 PM, Amos Elberg <amos.elb...@gmail.com> > > >>> wrote: > > >>> > The one that is a graduation issue, concerns the diversity of the > > PMC, > > >>> and > > >>> > whether graduation is being rushed. The project still is largely > > >>> centered > > >>> > around one individual and company. > > >>> > > >>> FWIW: the diversity requirements around company affiliation have > been, > > >>> if not de-emphasized, but made at least less of a concern in the past > > few > > >>> years. Search for emails from Roy Fielding on that subject. > > >>> > > >>> Another concern that you are raising -- the lack of diversity of view > > >>> points > > >>> is quite real in my opinion. > > >>> > > >>> > As another example, I don't think we ever discussed what to do > about > > >>> having > > >>> > fallen behind the roadmap. Instead of looking at how to get to > meet > > our > > >>> > standard, we adjusted the standard. > > >>> > > >>> That is, also, strictly speaking not a problem. Interest in projects > > >>> waxes and wanes > > >>> all the time. ASF is not a commercial entity -- we're a bunch of > > >>> volunteers and > > >>> lulls are to be excepted. > > >>> > > >>> Thanks, > > >>> Roman. > > >>> > > >> > > > > >
