Thank you Henry! A community vote thread is in progress [1]. -- Alex
1. https://s.apache.org/Fhl0 On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 3:45 PM, Henry Saputra <henry.sapu...@gmail.com> wrote: > Oh wait, this is just DISCUSS thread =P > Sorry. > > I am glad the community has grown and following the Apache way. Looking > forward to the VOTE thread. > > - Henry > > On Tue, Apr 5, 2016 at 11:42 PM, Henry Saputra <henry.sapu...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > +1 (binding) for graduation > > > > On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 4:24 AM, moon soo Lee <m...@apache.org> wrote: > > > >> Hi, > >> > >> Since last answer from Damien, there hasn't been much discussions for > >> graduation. > >> If all concerns are answered and explained well enough, then shell we > move > >> on to the vote? > >> > >> Thanks, > >> moon > >> > >> > >> On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 10:41 AM Corneau Damien <cornead...@gmail.com> > >> wrote: > >> > >> > Hi Jeff, > >> > > >> > You can find the list of PPMC here [1], although it doesn't include > the > >> > affiliations. > >> > We do not currently have commiters only status in the project. > >> > > >> > Informations about how to become a Committer is inside the > Contributing > >> > document of the project [2] > >> > > >> > For the selection, we follow the usual Apache Process: > >> > > >> > * Discussion on inviting a new member is created on the @private > mailing > >> > list (any PPMC can create a discussion) > >> > * PPMCs are voting on that thread > >> > * If the vote is a success, an invite will be sent to that person, and > >> the > >> > result is published on the mailing list if the invite is accepted. > >> > > >> > [1] http://incubator.apache.org/projects/zeppelin.html > >> > [2] > >> > > >> > > >> > https://github.com/apache/incubator-zeppelin/blob/master/CONTRIBUTING.md#becoming-a-committer > >> > On Feb 16, 2016 4:42 PM, "Jeff Steinmetz" < > jeffrey.steinm...@gmail.com> > >> > wrote: > >> > > >> > > Mainly for clarity (as I may have missed such a summary) - > >> > > Is there a summary that exists (or perhaps we could reply here) that > >> > > outlines: > >> > > > >> > > What's the process within the zeppelin project to add additional > >> > > Committers and/or PMC members? > >> > > Who selects the people for these roles, and is there diversity > beyond > >> one > >> > > affiliation/company in terms of who is selecting additional > >> committers or > >> > > PMC members? > >> > > Who are all the current PMC members and affiliations? > >> > > Who are all the committers and affiliations? > >> > > How would we know if you desire more members? > >> > > > >> > > I found this: > >> > > http://people.apache.org/committers-by-project.html#incubator > >> > > Although - it's one large list with several incubator projects vs > >> > > zeppelin alone. > >> > > > >> > > Best, > >> > > Jeff Steinmetz > >> > > Principal Architect > >> > > Akili Interactive Labs > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > On 2/11/16, 9:31 PM, "moon soo Lee" <m...@apache.org> wrote: > >> > > > >> > > >Correction > >> > > > > >> > > >from > >> > > > > >> > > >And programmer is a requirement of (P)PMC [1]. > >> > > > > >> > > >to > >> > > > > >> > > >And programmer is not a requirement of (P)PMC [1]. > >> > > > > >> > > >Thanks, > >> > > >moon > >> > > > > >> > > >On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 2:30 PM moon soo Lee <m...@apache.org> > >> wrote: > >> > > > > >> > > >> Appreciate Amos, for sharing thoughtful concerns. > >> > > >> > >> > > >> If i add more answer, > >> > > >> > >> > > >> So far, Zeppelin has 8 PPMC from 4 different affiliations. And 5 > of > >> > them > >> > > >> is work in the same company. 3 of them from 3 different > affiliation > >> > > invited > >> > > >> since it's incubation. > >> > > >> > >> > > >> I personally think all 3 are good programmer, but it may depends > on > >> > how > >> > > >> you define 'programmer'. And programmer is a requirement of > (P)PMC > >> > [1]. > >> > > >> > >> > > >> In point of view of survival, Zeppelin will still have at least 3 > >> > > >> different PPMC from 3 different affiliation, in the case of all > >> PPMC > >> > > >> disappearing from any particular affiliation. Project still able > to > >> > make > >> > > >> any decisions. > >> > > >> > >> > > >> Diversity of PPMC affiliation is not a requirement of graduation > >> > > according > >> > > >> to this thread [2] (I guess this is the email that Roman > mention). > >> > > >> > >> > > >> I think meaning of 'diversity' is not limited to affiliation. > >> > > 'Diversity' > >> > > >> can be location, language, nationality, gender, background, > >> > experience, > >> > > and > >> > > >> so on. In this perspective, I think Zeppelin PPMC are quite > >> diverse. > >> > > >> > >> > > >> One person could have more commits than others. > >> > > >> But that doesn't give more votes because of that. All people has > >> the > >> > > same > >> > > >> single vote, that's effective particularly making decision in > >> Apache > >> > > way. > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> Regarding diversity of view points, > >> > > >> > >> > > >> To me, I always see different opinions, ideas on comment of > >> PR/issue > >> > > (most > >> > > >> discussions are happening on PR/issue) whether they're strong or > >> not, > >> > > and > >> > > >> most of them, eventually converged. I'd like to see it 'mature' > >> than > >> > 'no > >> > > >> disagreement'. > >> > > >> > >> > > >> And many different of features and improvements has been > discussed > >> and > >> > > >> contributed from various people/organizations, most of them > >> actually > >> > > not on > >> > > >> the roadmap. Thats another form of diversity I can see from > >> Zeppelin > >> > > >> community. > >> > > >> > >> > > >> Although no one blocks post email or leave comment on any > >> discussion, > >> > If > >> > > >> we feel we need more diversity of view point, we can always > >> improve it > >> > > by > >> > > >> explicitly encourage participating discussion from Zeppelin's > >> > > contribution > >> > > >> guide, or by any other way. > >> > > >> > >> > > >> [1] http://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html#pmc > >> > > >> [2] http://markmail.org/message/5l5hsygvntcx5fqb > >> > > >> < > >> > > > >> > > >> > http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201507.mbox/%3c20150721204853.gg28...@boudnik.org%3E > >> > > > > >> > > >> > >> > > >> Thanks, > >> > > >> moon > >> > > >> > >> > > >> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 11:56 AM Roman Shaposhnik < > >> > ro...@shaposhnik.org > >> > > > > >> > > >> wrote: > >> > > >> > >> > > >>> On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 7:39 PM, Amos Elberg < > >> amos.elb...@gmail.com> > >> > > >>> wrote: > >> > > >>> > The one that is a graduation issue, concerns the diversity of > >> the > >> > > PMC, > >> > > >>> and > >> > > >>> > whether graduation is being rushed. The project still is > >> largely > >> > > >>> centered > >> > > >>> > around one individual and company. > >> > > >>> > >> > > >>> FWIW: the diversity requirements around company affiliation have > >> > been, > >> > > >>> if not de-emphasized, but made at least less of a concern in the > >> past > >> > > few > >> > > >>> years. Search for emails from Roy Fielding on that subject. > >> > > >>> > >> > > >>> Another concern that you are raising -- the lack of diversity of > >> view > >> > > >>> points > >> > > >>> is quite real in my opinion. > >> > > >>> > >> > > >>> > As another example, I don't think we ever discussed what to do > >> > about > >> > > >>> having > >> > > >>> > fallen behind the roadmap. Instead of looking at how to get > to > >> > meet > >> > > our > >> > > >>> > standard, we adjusted the standard. > >> > > >>> > >> > > >>> That is, also, strictly speaking not a problem. Interest in > >> projects > >> > > >>> waxes and wanes > >> > > >>> all the time. ASF is not a commercial entity -- we're a bunch of > >> > > >>> volunteers and > >> > > >>> lulls are to be excepted. > >> > > >>> > >> > > >>> Thanks, > >> > > >>> Roman. > >> > > >>> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > >
