Oh wait, this is just DISCUSS thread =P Sorry. I am glad the community has grown and following the Apache way. Looking forward to the VOTE thread.
- Henry On Tue, Apr 5, 2016 at 11:42 PM, Henry Saputra <henry.sapu...@gmail.com> wrote: > +1 (binding) for graduation > > On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 4:24 AM, moon soo Lee <m...@apache.org> wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Since last answer from Damien, there hasn't been much discussions for >> graduation. >> If all concerns are answered and explained well enough, then shell we move >> on to the vote? >> >> Thanks, >> moon >> >> >> On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 10:41 AM Corneau Damien <cornead...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> > Hi Jeff, >> > >> > You can find the list of PPMC here [1], although it doesn't include the >> > affiliations. >> > We do not currently have commiters only status in the project. >> > >> > Informations about how to become a Committer is inside the Contributing >> > document of the project [2] >> > >> > For the selection, we follow the usual Apache Process: >> > >> > * Discussion on inviting a new member is created on the @private mailing >> > list (any PPMC can create a discussion) >> > * PPMCs are voting on that thread >> > * If the vote is a success, an invite will be sent to that person, and >> the >> > result is published on the mailing list if the invite is accepted. >> > >> > [1] http://incubator.apache.org/projects/zeppelin.html >> > [2] >> > >> > >> https://github.com/apache/incubator-zeppelin/blob/master/CONTRIBUTING.md#becoming-a-committer >> > On Feb 16, 2016 4:42 PM, "Jeff Steinmetz" <jeffrey.steinm...@gmail.com> >> > wrote: >> > >> > > Mainly for clarity (as I may have missed such a summary) - >> > > Is there a summary that exists (or perhaps we could reply here) that >> > > outlines: >> > > >> > > What's the process within the zeppelin project to add additional >> > > Committers and/or PMC members? >> > > Who selects the people for these roles, and is there diversity beyond >> one >> > > affiliation/company in terms of who is selecting additional >> committers or >> > > PMC members? >> > > Who are all the current PMC members and affiliations? >> > > Who are all the committers and affiliations? >> > > How would we know if you desire more members? >> > > >> > > I found this: >> > > http://people.apache.org/committers-by-project.html#incubator >> > > Although - it's one large list with several incubator projects vs >> > > zeppelin alone. >> > > >> > > Best, >> > > Jeff Steinmetz >> > > Principal Architect >> > > Akili Interactive Labs >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > On 2/11/16, 9:31 PM, "moon soo Lee" <m...@apache.org> wrote: >> > > >> > > >Correction >> > > > >> > > >from >> > > > >> > > >And programmer is a requirement of (P)PMC [1]. >> > > > >> > > >to >> > > > >> > > >And programmer is not a requirement of (P)PMC [1]. >> > > > >> > > >Thanks, >> > > >moon >> > > > >> > > >On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 2:30 PM moon soo Lee <m...@apache.org> >> wrote: >> > > > >> > > >> Appreciate Amos, for sharing thoughtful concerns. >> > > >> >> > > >> If i add more answer, >> > > >> >> > > >> So far, Zeppelin has 8 PPMC from 4 different affiliations. And 5 of >> > them >> > > >> is work in the same company. 3 of them from 3 different affiliation >> > > invited >> > > >> since it's incubation. >> > > >> >> > > >> I personally think all 3 are good programmer, but it may depends on >> > how >> > > >> you define 'programmer'. And programmer is a requirement of (P)PMC >> > [1]. >> > > >> >> > > >> In point of view of survival, Zeppelin will still have at least 3 >> > > >> different PPMC from 3 different affiliation, in the case of all >> PPMC >> > > >> disappearing from any particular affiliation. Project still able to >> > make >> > > >> any decisions. >> > > >> >> > > >> Diversity of PPMC affiliation is not a requirement of graduation >> > > according >> > > >> to this thread [2] (I guess this is the email that Roman mention). >> > > >> >> > > >> I think meaning of 'diversity' is not limited to affiliation. >> > > 'Diversity' >> > > >> can be location, language, nationality, gender, background, >> > experience, >> > > and >> > > >> so on. In this perspective, I think Zeppelin PPMC are quite >> diverse. >> > > >> >> > > >> One person could have more commits than others. >> > > >> But that doesn't give more votes because of that. All people has >> the >> > > same >> > > >> single vote, that's effective particularly making decision in >> Apache >> > > way. >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> Regarding diversity of view points, >> > > >> >> > > >> To me, I always see different opinions, ideas on comment of >> PR/issue >> > > (most >> > > >> discussions are happening on PR/issue) whether they're strong or >> not, >> > > and >> > > >> most of them, eventually converged. I'd like to see it 'mature' >> than >> > 'no >> > > >> disagreement'. >> > > >> >> > > >> And many different of features and improvements has been discussed >> and >> > > >> contributed from various people/organizations, most of them >> actually >> > > not on >> > > >> the roadmap. Thats another form of diversity I can see from >> Zeppelin >> > > >> community. >> > > >> >> > > >> Although no one blocks post email or leave comment on any >> discussion, >> > If >> > > >> we feel we need more diversity of view point, we can always >> improve it >> > > by >> > > >> explicitly encourage participating discussion from Zeppelin's >> > > contribution >> > > >> guide, or by any other way. >> > > >> >> > > >> [1] http://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html#pmc >> > > >> [2] http://markmail.org/message/5l5hsygvntcx5fqb >> > > >> < >> > > >> > >> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201507.mbox/%3c20150721204853.gg28...@boudnik.org%3E >> > > > >> > > >> >> > > >> Thanks, >> > > >> moon >> > > >> >> > > >> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 11:56 AM Roman Shaposhnik < >> > ro...@shaposhnik.org >> > > > >> > > >> wrote: >> > > >> >> > > >>> On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 7:39 PM, Amos Elberg < >> amos.elb...@gmail.com> >> > > >>> wrote: >> > > >>> > The one that is a graduation issue, concerns the diversity of >> the >> > > PMC, >> > > >>> and >> > > >>> > whether graduation is being rushed. The project still is >> largely >> > > >>> centered >> > > >>> > around one individual and company. >> > > >>> >> > > >>> FWIW: the diversity requirements around company affiliation have >> > been, >> > > >>> if not de-emphasized, but made at least less of a concern in the >> past >> > > few >> > > >>> years. Search for emails from Roy Fielding on that subject. >> > > >>> >> > > >>> Another concern that you are raising -- the lack of diversity of >> view >> > > >>> points >> > > >>> is quite real in my opinion. >> > > >>> >> > > >>> > As another example, I don't think we ever discussed what to do >> > about >> > > >>> having >> > > >>> > fallen behind the roadmap. Instead of looking at how to get to >> > meet >> > > our >> > > >>> > standard, we adjusted the standard. >> > > >>> >> > > >>> That is, also, strictly speaking not a problem. Interest in >> projects >> > > >>> waxes and wanes >> > > >>> all the time. ASF is not a commercial entity -- we're a bunch of >> > > >>> volunteers and >> > > >>> lulls are to be excepted. >> > > >>> >> > > >>> Thanks, >> > > >>> Roman. >> > > >>> >> > > >> >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >
