+1 (binding) for graduation On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 4:24 AM, moon soo Lee <m...@apache.org> wrote:
> Hi, > > Since last answer from Damien, there hasn't been much discussions for > graduation. > If all concerns are answered and explained well enough, then shell we move > on to the vote? > > Thanks, > moon > > > On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 10:41 AM Corneau Damien <cornead...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > Hi Jeff, > > > > You can find the list of PPMC here [1], although it doesn't include the > > affiliations. > > We do not currently have commiters only status in the project. > > > > Informations about how to become a Committer is inside the Contributing > > document of the project [2] > > > > For the selection, we follow the usual Apache Process: > > > > * Discussion on inviting a new member is created on the @private mailing > > list (any PPMC can create a discussion) > > * PPMCs are voting on that thread > > * If the vote is a success, an invite will be sent to that person, and > the > > result is published on the mailing list if the invite is accepted. > > > > [1] http://incubator.apache.org/projects/zeppelin.html > > [2] > > > > > https://github.com/apache/incubator-zeppelin/blob/master/CONTRIBUTING.md#becoming-a-committer > > On Feb 16, 2016 4:42 PM, "Jeff Steinmetz" <jeffrey.steinm...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > Mainly for clarity (as I may have missed such a summary) - > > > Is there a summary that exists (or perhaps we could reply here) that > > > outlines: > > > > > > What's the process within the zeppelin project to add additional > > > Committers and/or PMC members? > > > Who selects the people for these roles, and is there diversity beyond > one > > > affiliation/company in terms of who is selecting additional committers > or > > > PMC members? > > > Who are all the current PMC members and affiliations? > > > Who are all the committers and affiliations? > > > How would we know if you desire more members? > > > > > > I found this: > > > http://people.apache.org/committers-by-project.html#incubator > > > Although - it's one large list with several incubator projects vs > > > zeppelin alone. > > > > > > Best, > > > Jeff Steinmetz > > > Principal Architect > > > Akili Interactive Labs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 2/11/16, 9:31 PM, "moon soo Lee" <m...@apache.org> wrote: > > > > > > >Correction > > > > > > > >from > > > > > > > >And programmer is a requirement of (P)PMC [1]. > > > > > > > >to > > > > > > > >And programmer is not a requirement of (P)PMC [1]. > > > > > > > >Thanks, > > > >moon > > > > > > > >On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 2:30 PM moon soo Lee <m...@apache.org> wrote: > > > > > > > >> Appreciate Amos, for sharing thoughtful concerns. > > > >> > > > >> If i add more answer, > > > >> > > > >> So far, Zeppelin has 8 PPMC from 4 different affiliations. And 5 of > > them > > > >> is work in the same company. 3 of them from 3 different affiliation > > > invited > > > >> since it's incubation. > > > >> > > > >> I personally think all 3 are good programmer, but it may depends on > > how > > > >> you define 'programmer'. And programmer is a requirement of (P)PMC > > [1]. > > > >> > > > >> In point of view of survival, Zeppelin will still have at least 3 > > > >> different PPMC from 3 different affiliation, in the case of all PPMC > > > >> disappearing from any particular affiliation. Project still able to > > make > > > >> any decisions. > > > >> > > > >> Diversity of PPMC affiliation is not a requirement of graduation > > > according > > > >> to this thread [2] (I guess this is the email that Roman mention). > > > >> > > > >> I think meaning of 'diversity' is not limited to affiliation. > > > 'Diversity' > > > >> can be location, language, nationality, gender, background, > > experience, > > > and > > > >> so on. In this perspective, I think Zeppelin PPMC are quite diverse. > > > >> > > > >> One person could have more commits than others. > > > >> But that doesn't give more votes because of that. All people has the > > > same > > > >> single vote, that's effective particularly making decision in Apache > > > way. > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> Regarding diversity of view points, > > > >> > > > >> To me, I always see different opinions, ideas on comment of PR/issue > > > (most > > > >> discussions are happening on PR/issue) whether they're strong or > not, > > > and > > > >> most of them, eventually converged. I'd like to see it 'mature' than > > 'no > > > >> disagreement'. > > > >> > > > >> And many different of features and improvements has been discussed > and > > > >> contributed from various people/organizations, most of them actually > > > not on > > > >> the roadmap. Thats another form of diversity I can see from Zeppelin > > > >> community. > > > >> > > > >> Although no one blocks post email or leave comment on any > discussion, > > If > > > >> we feel we need more diversity of view point, we can always improve > it > > > by > > > >> explicitly encourage participating discussion from Zeppelin's > > > contribution > > > >> guide, or by any other way. > > > >> > > > >> [1] http://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html#pmc > > > >> [2] http://markmail.org/message/5l5hsygvntcx5fqb > > > >> < > > > > > > http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201507.mbox/%3c20150721204853.gg28...@boudnik.org%3E > > > > > > > >> > > > >> Thanks, > > > >> moon > > > >> > > > >> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 11:56 AM Roman Shaposhnik < > > ro...@shaposhnik.org > > > > > > > >> wrote: > > > >> > > > >>> On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 7:39 PM, Amos Elberg < > amos.elb...@gmail.com> > > > >>> wrote: > > > >>> > The one that is a graduation issue, concerns the diversity of the > > > PMC, > > > >>> and > > > >>> > whether graduation is being rushed. The project still is largely > > > >>> centered > > > >>> > around one individual and company. > > > >>> > > > >>> FWIW: the diversity requirements around company affiliation have > > been, > > > >>> if not de-emphasized, but made at least less of a concern in the > past > > > few > > > >>> years. Search for emails from Roy Fielding on that subject. > > > >>> > > > >>> Another concern that you are raising -- the lack of diversity of > view > > > >>> points > > > >>> is quite real in my opinion. > > > >>> > > > >>> > As another example, I don't think we ever discussed what to do > > about > > > >>> having > > > >>> > fallen behind the roadmap. Instead of looking at how to get to > > meet > > > our > > > >>> > standard, we adjusted the standard. > > > >>> > > > >>> That is, also, strictly speaking not a problem. Interest in > projects > > > >>> waxes and wanes > > > >>> all the time. ASF is not a commercial entity -- we're a bunch of > > > >>> volunteers and > > > >>> lulls are to be excepted. > > > >>> > > > >>> Thanks, > > > >>> Roman. > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >
