On Sun, 22 Nov 2020 11:12:57 -0500
Solomon Peachy <pi...@shaftnet.org> wrote:

> On Sun, Nov 22, 2020 at 03:42:05PM +0000, Gargoyle wrote:
> >     - Available for testing from F33 onwards.
> >     - Default in F34 with compatibility library.  
> 
> It needs to be readily available for testing in F(n-1) for a complete 
> release cycle before it can be made the default in F(n).

Totally agree.  This is the minimum standard by which this change
should be evaluated.  A few test days for rawhide are woefully
inadequate.

> This is _very_ important to get right.  Folks are still trashing
> Pulse Audio (and its creator) *to this day* for Ubuntu's half-assed
> PA integration from over a decade ago.

Exactly.  I hope the pipewire authors and advocates are smart enough
to learn from this.  If not them, then FESCO.
 
> FFS, most of the software I use today doesn't even use PA directly;
> it uses ALSA, which gets routed to PA via an ALSA plugin.
> Compatibility APIs must me maintained nearly indefinitely!

FWIW, I bypass pulseaudio and use ALSA directly for software that
benefits from low-level access to the sound device: Audacity, Kodi,
and MythTV.

Jim
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