(apologies for top posting)

There is absolutely NOTHING wrong with the base we have at all. Remember 
Linux is Linux forget the RedHat issues its a non starter - just think 
like engineers.

For those that want to realise why this isnt a major issue let me explain. 

Four years ago at VA Linux when we were building the servers that power 
Google, Yahoo, Akamai and a lot of the major .coms that formed the basis 
of the so called .com revolution we identified that if we ever put all our 
eggs in one basket and backed a vendor based distro we'd be screwed. The 
potential situation of what RH are doing now effectively would have been 
dire.

So day one we decided to shadow their work but be a little more sensible 
and RH VALE was born, this was Red Hat VA Linux Enhanced. It was an 
entirely seperate distro with our own kernel, better support for SCSI 
devices, IDE RAID, Gigabit networking and a lot of inherent Cluster 
support bits. Also far better support for things like Oracle and MySQL 
than even current RedHat Advanced Server has. 

It also formed the basis of the first three builds of SmoothWall although 
SW is now entirely LINUX based, e.g it's own distro built from source.

Now when we left VA (I left to form SW corporate pre VA cannings), we all 
worked on seperate things however VALE didnt die, in fact its now called 
Vermillion is BASED on RH 7.3 but updated independently by my friend 
Michael Jennings (he of ETerm fame), and you can find more info at 
http://www.kainx.org - including three ISO's. Please dont drown his 
limited bandwidth. Vermillion includes APT out the box as well as revised 
updated packages and has pedigree breeding. It's last release was October 
03. Why haven't you heard of it ?? Well we wanted it off Red Hats 
radar....

Lets not all have bottom wobbles please, RH may be stopping the issue of 
isos and support but Linux is Linux, don't lose sight of that.

BSD I love, BSD I use, BSD - you can't port SME to - you havent the skills 
nor the time, nor the awareness of whats needed - PORTS - go look it up.

On Tue, 16 Dec 2003, Tivon Coles wrote:

> Hi Guys,
> 
> I know a lot of people think its still to early to start thinking about 
> changing the base OS...there are also a few of us that feel it needs to 
> be looked at quite quickly (have something getting up and running in 
> parallel)..... so if we all ever to get round to it *Smile* here is a 
> site to look at for some pros toward BSD 
> http://people.freebsd.org/~murray/bsd_flier.html
> It compares FreeBSD vs. Linux vs. Windows 2000. and yes its probably a 
> bit bias but isn't everyone? I just want the best kickarse system we can 
> possibly make.
> 
> There we go, we shouldn't tie the devlist with this just yet far more 
> important things to discuss atm...Right guys?... so for the people who 
> do want to discuss it more you can always contact me directly and I'll 
> put together a report and present it to contribs when it becomes an option.
> 
> Cheers
> Tivon
> (The BSD's Little Devils Advocate)
> 
> 
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