On Tuesday 16 December 2003 06:25 am, Dick Morrell wrote: > (apologies for top posting) > > There is absolutely NOTHING wrong with the base we have at all. Remember > Linux is Linux forget the RedHat issues its a non starter - just think > like engineers. > > For those that want to realise why this isnt a major issue let me explain. > > Four years ago at VA Linux when we were building the servers that power > Google, Yahoo, Akamai and a lot of the major .coms that formed the basis > of the so called .com revolution we identified that if we ever put all our > eggs in one basket and backed a vendor based distro we'd be screwed. The > potential situation of what RH are doing now effectively would have been > dire. > > So day one we decided to shadow their work but be a little more sensible > and RH VALE was born, this was Red Hat VA Linux Enhanced. It was an > entirely seperate distro with our own kernel, better support for SCSI > devices, IDE RAID, Gigabit networking and a lot of inherent Cluster > support bits. Also far better support for things like Oracle and MySQL > than even current RedHat Advanced Server has. > > It also formed the basis of the first three builds of SmoothWall although > SW is now entirely LINUX based, e.g it's own distro built from source. > > Now when we left VA (I left to form SW corporate pre VA cannings), we all > worked on seperate things however VALE didnt die, in fact its now called > Vermillion is BASED on RH 7.3 but updated independently by my friend > Michael Jennings (he of ETerm fame), and you can find more info at > http://www.kainx.org - including three ISO's. Please dont drown his > limited bandwidth. Vermillion includes APT out the box as well as revised > updated packages and has pedigree breeding. It's last release was October > 03. Why haven't you heard of it ?? Well we wanted it off Red Hats > radar.... > > Lets not all have bottom wobbles please, RH may be stopping the issue of > isos and support but Linux is Linux, don't lose sight of that. > > BSD I love, BSD I use, BSD - you can't port SME to - you havent the skills > nor the time, nor the awareness of whats needed - PORTS - go look it up.
Guys, I have seen enough of this to last a lifetime from this reflector. Please refrain from putting others down. There is *NO* need to say things like "...you havent the skills nor the time, nor the awareness of whats needed..." (sic) , even if you are convinced you are right. It is in poor taste and only reflects upon yourself. As for using BSD. Yes it is nice. So is linux. I *hate* RPM , but that is a personal problem of mine. If it was up to me, I would switch to something so easy, powerful, and generic that what distro is used as a base wouldn't require someone sitting somewhere melding apt into something and maintaining it like a monk. (See the large paragraph in the original post above.) i.e IF a move takes place, I suggest making it linux for performance, and making it a decent package management system that fulfills the requirements I outlined. They exist. Anyways, I could be easily accused of repeating myself from an earlier message. And my real intent was to try to point out that poor behavior on this list is sad to see. Very best regards; Bob FInch P.S. I am glad that it appears that Mitel is intending to follow through on its' promises and releasing ALL the source for SME. It has been a long wait for some packages, and it is nice to see. > > On Tue, 16 Dec 2003, Tivon Coles wrote: > > Hi Guys, > > > > I know a lot of people think its still to early to start thinking about > > changing the base OS...there are also a few of us that feel it needs to > > be looked at quite quickly (have something getting up and running in > > parallel)..... so if we all ever to get round to it *Smile* here is a > > site to look at for some pros toward BSD > > http://people.freebsd.org/~murray/bsd_flier.html > > It compares FreeBSD vs. Linux vs. Windows 2000. and yes its probably a > > bit bias but isn't everyone? I just want the best kickarse system we can > > possibly make. > > > > There we go, we shouldn't tie the devlist with this just yet far more > > important things to discuss atm...Right guys?... so for the people who > > do want to discuss it more you can always contact me directly and I'll > > put together a report and present it to contribs when it becomes an > > option. > > > > Cheers > > Tivon > > (The BSD's Little Devils Advocate) > > > > > > -- > > Please report bugs to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Please mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] (only) to discuss security issues > > Support for registered customers and partners to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Searchable archive at > > http://www.mail-archive.com/devinfo%40lists.e-smith.org > > -- > Please report bugs to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Please mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] (only) to discuss security issues > Support for registered customers and partners to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Searchable archive at > http://www.mail-archive.com/devinfo%40lists.e-smith.org -- Please report bugs to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] (only) to discuss security issues Support for registered customers and partners to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Searchable archive at http://www.mail-archive.com/devinfo%40lists.e-smith.org
