On Tuesday, October 06, 2015 09:10:28 AM Ian Clarke wrote: > On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 4:39 AM, xor <[email protected]> wrote: > > [Sorted/trimmed/amended the quotes for readability] > > > > On Monday, October 05, 2015 12:52:08 PM Ian Clarke wrote: > > > On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 12:57 AM, xor <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Right, but it appears that solutions exist for this with Gradle. > > > > "Apache Ant" = 1 320 000 Google hits > > "Gradle" = 957 000 Google hits > > That's a terribly unscientific way to assess the popularity of a tool. As > a professional Java developer please take my word for it when I say that > Apache Ant is an outdated tool, it has been replaced by Maven, and Maven is > in the process of being replaced by Gradle (although we're early in that > process). If you don't believe me just ask Google, they selected Gradle as > the standard build tool for Android. Or failing that just ask almost any > other professional Java developer, they'll tell you the same thing.
Yes, you're right, thats a toy metric - I just couldn't think of any other one, sorry. Your observation that Google uses it sounds like a good one! I also wasn't aware that you're actively doing Java development, so now I'll trust you even more with what you say. As I've exhausted my knowledge about the stuff (which wasn't any deep anyway, I never even read a Maven/Gradle script), I think this should be my last reply to this aspect if that's OK with you. To produce a result, I filed bugtracker entries at my subprojects to adopt whatever the results of this thread will be: https://bugs.freenetproject.org/view.php?id=6697 https://bugs.freenetproject.org/view.php?id=6698 I have set the target versions in the roadmap to be the ones right after the most critical pending performance / usability fixes. > > > If someone wants to use both Freenet and Tor then they can download them > > > individually, but I see no good reason to bundle two independent pieces > > > > of > > > > > software just because they both solve related (but different) problems. > > > > Well, the question is if the user's care about the difference: > That seems like a very peculiar criteria with which to decide to bundle any > two projects. If a user didn't care about the difference between Freenet > and Angry Birds, should we bundle it with Angry Birds? > > The only good criteria for bundling two pieces of software is that the > combination is dramatically more useful than either individually (eg. if > one depends on the other). That wouldn't be the case here, it would just > be two somewhat related pieces of software glued together for no good > reason. I think there even is one of those anecdotal "laws" about this, which is something like: "Every software project converges towards becoming a full operating system." :D (if someone knows the name of that law, please tell me) The reason I recommended this is the large amount of users which come to the support chat and ask for Tor-functionality :| It's sad that we cannot help them easily. However, I think we can settle this for now as there is another good reason for me to postpone my suggestion for a while: The CENO project aims to provide easy mirroring of regular websites into Freenet: https://equalit.ie/portfolio/censorship-no/ Before we consider bundling Tor, we should probably give them a year of time to get their stuff finished to the point where we can bundle it. With CENO we wouldn't need Tor :) I'm in contact with the developers (= idling in their IRC channel), and will continue to remind them to push for bundling. -- hopstolive (keyword for Ians spam filter)
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