On Thu, 2016-05-26 at 07:55 -0400, Steve Dougherty wrote: > On 05/25/2016 08:49 PM, Ian Clarke wrote: > > > > On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 6:44 PM, Arne Babenhauserheide <arne_bab@we > > b.de> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Core technical reasons: > > > > > > - It excludes those of our users who assume (not unreasonably) > > > that > > > Google might de-anonymize them. > > > > > Is there any technical evidence that Google Docs will deanonymize a > > Tor > > user, or even an explanation of how this could occur? The Google > > Docs > > client code can be easily examined, so if Google were somehow doing > > this, > > wouldn't it be easy to see? > > > > In reality there is nothing other than your dislike of Google > > behind this > > concern. You're welcome to dislike Google if you wish, but you > > will need > > to make a better argument if you expect everyone else to adapt to > > your > > personal view, which is what you seem to be asking for. > > > > > > > > > > - It also excludes those who do not run Tor but only use Freenet > > > for > > > anonymous communication. > > > > > And how can such people anonymously use PiratePad, which is your > > preferred > > choice? It has exactly the same issue. > > > > > > > > > > - It does not work without Javascript. Many of our users disable > > > Javascript, especially on Tor. > > > > > Same for PiratePad, which is the choice you have advocated. > > > > > > > > > > - People who follow the mailing list cannot follow the discussion > > > and > > > development of the document. This makes the work intransparent > > > for > > > most of our community. > > > > > PiratePad also suffers from this problem, as would any practical > > solution > > that met our needs. > > > > > > > > > > - It is a non-free platform, so this workflow could be cut at any > > > time. > > > > > In the extremely unlikely event that Google suddenly shuts down > > Google > > Docs, then it will not be difficult to switch to another solution. > > > > These are all very weak arguments. > > > > > > > > > > Personal reason: > > > > > > When I told Ian about my reservations against using Google Docs, > > > essentially the reasons I gave here, the discussion got personal. > > > I > > > won’t go into details here, but it hurt. > > > > > > > > If it had not been for that, I would have followed a community > > > decision > > > about Google Docs, just like I did about using Github. However > > > this > > > crossed the point of being about being reasonable. That’s why my > > > decision not to use Google Docs here is final. > > > > > So you admit that your position here is not governed by technical > > arguments > > (a good thing, since those were not convincing), but rather by > > animosity > > towards me due to a perceived insult. I'm glad you made that clear > > to > > everyone. > > > > You have contributed very valuably to the project over the past few > > years > > Arne, and I sincerely hope that you continue to do-so, there really > > is no > > reason not to. > > > > But in this matter you aren't behaving constructively, and the > > project > > should not accede to unreasonable demands which you've just > > admitted are > > driven by personal animus towards me. > > > > The purpose of this project is to ensure that people have the > > freedom to > > communicate without fear of reprisal or censorship. I don't see > > how any of > > this serves that purpose. > I can understand if you're upset that Arne does not agree with you, > but > I don't understand what you're doing here. Do you expect that if you > berate Arne he will come around? You are being disrespectful. I'm not > at > all suggesting that you aren't allowed to disagree, or be honest, but > you seem to go about being honest by also being hurtful. It's > possible > to give feedback without making someone feel bad. I feel like you are > approaching this with the goal of shutting down those who disagree > with > you, instead of collaborating and discussing with others to arrive at > a > reasonable solution to a problem. >
What about using the wiki instead? https://wiki.freenetproject.org/ Florent
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