a 1-2 months ago, it was stated in #Freenet that ppl should trade with friends only, or something similary like that, just wanted to point that out.
Jerome Flesch wrote: >> if you stick to darknet only and ppl only trade refs with their friends, >> then there wouldnt be a bigger darknet >> only a few hundered really small darknet with no content to very little >> content, the dark index on the main page >> would be useless from start since you are only connected to your friends >> and they dont have it either since they are >> only connected to you. >> >> its quite dumb to think i connect to a friend who connects to a friend >> who connects to a friend ifinite so everyone >> gets connected to each others in the end, which would never happen, >> thats why ppl trade in freenet-refs. >> >> Or perhaps you dont have friends that runs/want to run a freenet node, >> then you would have world smalles darknet with 1 node. >> >> >> > I never spoke about connecting only to your friends. I'm perfectly aware that > most of the users don't even have only one real friend in their peer list. > > When I said that some of them share their in private, I meant simply in a IRC > private discusion (-> "/msg Toto Here is my ref: > http://dark-code.bulix.org/sjvje-24cs";), so nobody else (except the network > operators of course) could get the refs. > > And when I said that I can go discuss with my peers when there is a problem, > it's not because they are my friends (I know only some of my peers, not all), > but just because I know where I met them and where we share our refs. (and > even if I can't find them, I can send them a message with the node). And if > they don't answer me, I can even decide to disconnect from them, or > deactivate the connection between us. For all I know, this would be > impossible on an opennet. > > > >> Jerome Flesch wrote: >> >>>> I really don't understand all of this fretting and hand-wringing >>>> about opennet. Its basically nothing more than a vastly better way >>>> for people to do what they are already doing today with hideous (but >>>> regrettably necessary) kludges like #freenet-refs and http://refex.s- >>>> coding.nl/. >>>> >>> But there are some differences: >>> >>> With an opennet: >>> Imagine that a gouvernement, like China or France, decides to prevent the >>> access to the opennet: They would just have to fetch as many as possible >>> IPs, and then filter massively these IP (--> all the opennet and >>> opennet/darknet nodes). They would have no difficulties to do that with >>> an opennet, they could easily update their blacklist, and they could even >>> find some unwise Freenet users in their own country. >>> I don't know if it's really possible in China, but it would probably be >>> in France if the gouvernement really want to. >>> >>> >>> With a darknet: >>> Firstly, people don't share their refs only on #freenet-refs, but also on >>> #freenet-refs, the Frost board "freenet-refs", and hopefully, in private. >>> It would make an automatic process really harder to define. >>> > > Correction: > "It makes an automatic process really harder to define" (wrong tense, sorry) > > >>> Secondly, even if they try to fetch as many as possible refs, there are >>> the already-established nodes which won't be found since their owners >>> don't have anymore to share their refs. >>> And to finish, most of the users have a changing IP, making the >>> filtration harder. >>> >>> Another point is that an user can know its peers: I know that most of the >>> current freenet users doesn't care about this possibility. But for my >>> part, I find that really really great. For example, when one of my peers >>> is too often backed off, I can discuss with him/her on IRC to try to >>> solve this problem. >>> >>> At the moment, I think the darknet is a really great particularity of >>> Freenet. It's one of the things, which make it really singular. >>> >>> But I'm not entirely against an opennet: Indeed, an opennet could bring >>> us more users. And if a gouvernement decides to block the access to >>> Freenet, they will probably only filter the opennet, and omit the >>> darknet. However, if you implement opennet, I think it would be a good >>> thing to add to the wiki a list of the countries where the opennet can be >>> used safely and where it's not. >>> >>> >>>> Opennet has the following advantages over what people are using now: >>>> >>>> - Several orders of magnitude more convenient for users (allowing >>>> ease of use approaching or exceeding mainstream P2P apps) >>>> - Decentralized and scalable >>>> - Should lead to vastly better network topology >>>> - We control it so we can take measures to make it more difficult to >>>> corrupt >>>> >>>> Disadvantages? Relative to what people are using now - none that I >>>> can think of. >>>> >>>> Some people may wish we lived in a fantasy world where everyone was >>>> willing to go through the trouble of carefully establishing trusted >>>> darknet connections, but we don't live in this world, and denying the >>>> clear advantages of opennet to our userbase will not lead to that >>>> fantasy. >>>> >>>> Ian. >>>> >>>> Ian Clarke: Co-Founder & Chief Scientist Revver, Inc. >>>> phone: 323.871.2828 | personal blog - http://locut.us/blog >>>> > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://emu.freenetproject.org/pipermail/devl/attachments/20060815/96671f01/attachment.html>
