I did, and you didn't respond to my point.  Why do you want to force  
users to continue to use the current insecure, centralized, and  
hideously inconvenient opennet for a second longer than a more  
secure, decentralized, and convenient opennet option is available?

Ian.

On 15 Aug 2006, at 06:28, Matthew Toseland wrote:

> Read my reply to the other thread.
>
> On Mon, Aug 14, 2006 at 10:43:15PM -0700, Ian Clarke wrote:
>> One point, to be clear, is that nothing here will prevent those that
>> wish to only have their node talk to people they trust, from doing
>> so.  We are talking about opennet for those that want the
>> convenience, and darknet for those that need the security.
>>
>> Ian.
>>
>> On 14 Aug 2006, at 22:24, Ian Clarke wrote:
>>
>>> I really don't understand all of this fretting and hand-wringing
>>> about opennet.  Its basically nothing more than a vastly better way
>>> for people to do what they are already doing today with hideous
>>> (but regrettably necessary) kludges like #freenet-refs and http://
>>> refex.s-coding.nl/.
>>>
>>> Opennet has the following advantages over what people are using now:
>>>
>>>     - Several orders of magnitude more convenient for users (allowing
>>> ease of use approaching or exceeding mainstream P2P apps)
>>>     - Decentralized and scalable
>>>     - Should lead to vastly better network topology
>>>     - We control it so we can take measures to make it more difficult
>>> to corrupt
>>>
>>> Disadvantages?  Relative to what people are using now - none that I
>>> can think of.
>>>
>>> Some people may wish we lived in a fantasy world where everyone was
>>> willing to go through the trouble of carefully establishing trusted
>>> darknet connections, but we don't live in this world, and denying
>>> the clear advantages of opennet to our userbase will not lead to
>>> that fantasy.
>>
>> Ian Clarke: Co-Founder & Chief Scientist Revver, Inc.
>> phone: 323.871.2828 | personal blog - http://locut.us/blog
>>
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