Matthew Toseland wrote: > On Thursday 27 November 2008 18:01, Florent Daigni?re wrote: >> * Matthew Toseland <toad at amphibian.dyndns.org> [2008-11-27 17:19:13]: >> >>> On Thursday 27 November 2008 00:59, Florent Daigni?re wrote: >>>> * Matthew Toseland <toad at amphibian.dyndns.org> [2008-11-26 23:55:48]: >>>> >>>>>>> Being hosted at SourceForge, I can't see bandwidth being a > problem? >>>>>> We left SourceForge years ago because of their chronical > unreliability. >>>>> Nonetheless, the bandwidth cost for downloading all the plugins on > every >>>>> install is marginal. >>>>>>> But since you want some figures: I just did a test install. >>> Downloading >>>>>>> and setting up the plugins took the installer ~10 seconds on a 2 > year >>>>>>> old mainstream laptop with Windows XP. The plugins take up 383 KB. > I >>>>>>> don't know how many people that uncheck any or all of the plugins >>> before >>>>>>> installing, but I doubt it's a large part. Even if *everybody* >>> unchecked >>>>>>> all plugins in the installer and we assume nobody will ever > install >>> them >>>>>>> later on, the overhead would be less than 4% of the ~10 MB that > was >>>>>>> downloaded during the install. In reality, that number will be > *much* >>>>>>> smaller as many people *will* install the plugins. If SourceForge >>> can't >>>>>>> keep up with that little extra bandwidth, I'll be glad to donate. >>>>>> We did call for mirrors a while back, and we usually do before we >>>>>> announce any new release. >>>>>> >>>>>> Right now we have 6 working ones and 13 configured. >>>>> Why are you squabbling over 400K out of 10MB? >>>> Because if we go down that path you will end up willing us to ship the >>>> full offline installer... and that will prevent us to do statistics on >>>> the number of nodes installed/uninstalled. >>> So the need to get statistics on how many users actually install freenet > as >>> opposed to how many download it means we have to confuse the user with a > set >>> of options they will not understand?! The two are unrelated! >> You aren't making any sense here. >> >> It's not about asking them wether they want to load plugins or not... >> It's about bundling everything in the installer OR >> nothing and downloading everything at first-run >> rather than downloading on demand during the install process. > > We don't have to download on first run. We can download in the installer (or > bundle in the installer), and still only ask the user about the plugins in > the first-time wizard. Thus we reduce the number of steps in the installer, > and have all the config done together, in the first-time wizard.
If the point is to remove that step altogether, what shall we do about the other questions asked on the same panel? It's not only about plugins: it's also about whether to set up the cronjob, download the opennet seednodes, ...
