On Friday 28 November 2008 16:33, you wrote: > Matthew Toseland wrote: > > On Thursday 27 November 2008 18:01, Florent Daigni?re wrote: > >> * Matthew Toseland <toad at amphibian.dyndns.org> [2008-11-27 17:19:13]: > >> > >>> On Thursday 27 November 2008 00:59, Florent Daigni?re wrote: > >>>> * Matthew Toseland <toad at amphibian.dyndns.org> [2008-11-26 23:55:48]: > >>>> > >>>>>>> Being hosted at SourceForge, I can't see bandwidth being a > > problem? > >>>>>> We left SourceForge years ago because of their chronical > > unreliability. > >>>>> Nonetheless, the bandwidth cost for downloading all the plugins on > > every > >>>>> install is marginal. > >>>>>>> But since you want some figures: I just did a test install. > >>> Downloading > >>>>>>> and setting up the plugins took the installer ~10 seconds on a 2 > > year > >>>>>>> old mainstream laptop with Windows XP. The plugins take up 383 KB. > > I > >>>>>>> don't know how many people that uncheck any or all of the plugins > >>> before > >>>>>>> installing, but I doubt it's a large part. Even if *everybody* > >>> unchecked > >>>>>>> all plugins in the installer and we assume nobody will ever > > install > >>> them > >>>>>>> later on, the overhead would be less than 4% of the ~10 MB that > > was > >>>>>>> downloaded during the install. In reality, that number will be > > *much* > >>>>>>> smaller as many people *will* install the plugins. If SourceForge > >>> can't > >>>>>>> keep up with that little extra bandwidth, I'll be glad to donate. > >>>>>> We did call for mirrors a while back, and we usually do before we > >>>>>> announce any new release. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Right now we have 6 working ones and 13 configured. > >>>>> Why are you squabbling over 400K out of 10MB? > >>>> Because if we go down that path you will end up willing us to ship the > >>>> full offline installer... and that will prevent us to do statistics on > >>>> the number of nodes installed/uninstalled. > >>> So the need to get statistics on how many users actually install freenet > > as > >>> opposed to how many download it means we have to confuse the user with a > > set > >>> of options they will not understand?! The two are unrelated! > >> You aren't making any sense here. > >> > >> It's not about asking them wether they want to load plugins or not... > >> It's about bundling everything in the installer OR > >> nothing and downloading everything at first-run > >> rather than downloading on demand during the install process. > > > > We don't have to download on first run. We can download in the installer (or > > bundle in the installer), and still only ask the user about the plugins in > > the first-time wizard. Thus we reduce the number of steps in the installer, > > and have all the config done together, in the first-time wizard. > > If the point is to remove that step altogether, what shall we do about > the other questions asked on the same panel? > > It's not only about plugins: it's also about whether to set up the > cronjob, download the opennet seednodes, ...
IMHO we should always download the opennet seednodes. The file is very small, it's not a big overhead. And the auto-start option ... we probably can't turn it off from the wizard, but we could create a "Disable auto-starting Freenet" option on the start menu. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 827 bytes Desc: not available URL: <https://emu.freenetproject.org/pipermail/devl/attachments/20081128/6fcf0035/attachment.pgp>
