On Tuesday 26 May 2009 21:13:12 Cl?ment wrote: > Le dimanche 24 mai 2009 16:52:00, xor a ?crit : > > On Friday 22 May 2009 23:38:35 Matthew Toseland wrote: > > > On Friday 22 May 2009 17:31:46 Cl?ment wrote: > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > > > First, let's see the current situation : > > > > > > > > > > > > #Navigation : > > > > > > > > 9 items is really the max we can afford. Currently there are 9 items, > > > > but they aren't all necessary, and can confuse the newbies. > > > > > > Agreed, we need sub-menus. > > > > > > > #Browse Freenet page : > > > > > > > > The ?Search Freenet? field and bookmarks are definitly a good thing. > > > > However, why do we have : > > > > ?Fetch a key? : we don't want to fetch a key, we want to browse > > > > Freenet. > > > > > > Some users DO want to fetch a key. But maybe it should be on the queue > > > page. > > > > I disagree. Fetching a key in Freenet is like entering an address in an > > internet browser, it should be very obvious where to do it! > > > > > In which case we don't show the menu item. > > > > > > If we put all the messages on the main page in full, they take up so much > > > space that newbies don't see the rest of the page. > > > > > > There are a number of messages that take up multiple slots on the message > > > list when they should really just post a summary and point to another > > > page where they are in full (e.g. n2ntms should be on the friends page, > > > bookmark updates on the browse freenet page). > > > > > > We should probably either > > > 1) not link the messages page from the main menu, but keep it, or > > > 2) make messages expand themselves when you click on them > > > > I think we should just keep the messages page a separate one, it is very > > useful because you can get an overview of ALL news in your node: Finished > > downloads, uploads, updated freesite, node-to-node messages from friends. > > It is very useful if you regularly visit your node and want to know if > > something has happened. > > > > But expanding the messages via javascript is a nice idea, yes. > > > > Hmm, I don't agree here : we need to have something like a status bar to have > a quick overview of the node status, but have a separate message page. It's > one click more than the actual situation to have a detailed status. I think > that's reasonable.
What would you put in it? Some of the alerts are unexpected, rare and important, such as the message that the revocation key for the auto-updater has been blown. I'm not saying we shouldn't have a status bar (there are things we need to show such as the security levels, the simple/advanced slider), but IMHO we need to show the high priority alerts somewhere. > > > > > #Connections to friends + connections to strangers : > > > > > > > > Why 2 separate pages ? > > > > > > Because they are different! Friends and Strangers are completely > > > different IMHO. Friends have names, you can send them text messages, etc. > > > Strangers are just numbers - normal users don't care about their IP > > > address, etc. > > > > Full ACK. Friends page HAS to be separate to encourage users to establish > > darknet connections. Maybe we should even write something about Freenet > > becoming faster with more friend connections - if that's true? > > > > - More download speed is usually something which can help to encourage > > users to do something. > > > > > Putting the messages *only* here is a bad idea. Some of these messages > > > are IMPORTANT. What we need to do is: - show the summary on the Browse > > > Freenet page and maybe others > > > > Summary should always been on Browse Freenet page, yes. > > Summary should be on all the pages in the status bar. The browse page is > *not* > the freenet homepage, it is intended for browsing. We could have a homepage > though, but we need to separate it from the browse page. We don't want to > confuse the user, so we can't mix different functions in the same page. I don't understand what you expect us to put on a homepage. IMHO when a newbie installs a node they want to use Freenet, and the best way to do that is to browse and search Freenet. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 835 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: <https://emu.freenetproject.org/pipermail/devl/attachments/20090526/be9b6bb4/attachment.pgp>
