To summarize my position: On Sep 12, 2013, at 2:39 PM, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau <[email protected]> wrote:
> Indeed, the proposal A was based on > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/PortalMenu instead > of http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu . > > Then I suggest to call your proposal: E. > > Let me recap: > > - Proposal A : Tiny "Home menu". -1 > - Proposal B : XWiki right side menu +1 > - Proposal C : Wiki crowded menu -1 > - Proposal D : Add a menu on the top-left logo. +1 > - Proposal E : The complete "Home menu" proposed by Caty. +0 because I don't want to block this option that almost everyone seems to like. FTR what I still don't like with it: * There are various number of menus depending on whether you're on the main wiki or in a subwiki. I find it confusing. * I don't see the rationale for being able to do all wiki-level actions on the main wiki when you're in a subwiki. Thanks -Vincent > -- > > About E: > Some issues IMHO: > - The amount of menus is not the same when you are in the home wiki and > when you are in the subwiki. > - Do we really need to have a direct access to the documents, the users and > the applications of the home wiki when you are in the subwiki? Can't it be > confusing? > > Thanks, > Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau > > > > 2013/9/12 Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <[email protected]> > >> On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 2:27 PM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> You forgot one proposal which I like: >>> >>> == Proposal D == >>> >>> * Generalize the XWiki home (the logo at the top left) >>> * When you click on the logo you get to the home of the current wiki >>> * The proposal is about generalizing that feature to allow navigating >>> either to the wiki home, to the main wiki or to the list of other wikis >>> * It could be done by showing a menu arrow when the mouse hover over the >>> logo and when the mouse moves over the arrow, show a menu with first >> entry >>> = "Main Wiki" (or "Home Wiki" if you prefer) and a second entry with >> "Wiki >>> Index" for example. >>> >>> What I like with this is that the user is already used to use the logo as >>> a way to navigate to the home of wiki. >>> >>> Thanks >>> -Vincent >>> >>> On Sep 12, 2013, at 12:31 PM, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi developers. >>>> >>>> Tuesday evening, after trying to fix all issues that integrate >> Workspace >>> in >>>> XE made, I had a bit of time to work on this JIRA: >>>> http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-9341 "Menu improvements when >>> Workspaces >>>> activated". >>>> >>>> The idea was to quickly implement the Caty's proposal for M2 (which was >>>> scheduled for the day after). I made it and I sent a pull request. I >> have >>>> also sent a mail to Vincent to show him my work. >>>> >>>> == Proposal A == >>>> There is some screenshots (Proposal A): >>>> Logged as admin: >>>> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png >>>> Not logged as admin: >>>> >>> >> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu-non-admin.png >>>> >>>> You can get it from this commit: >>>> >>> >> https://github.com/xwiki/xwiki-platform/commit/8c1c1bac2cde30f9024525e50249382e3d2c4138 >>>> (except that I have changed the wiki icon for this screenshot) >>>> >>> >> >> So I just want to link again the 'Home Menu' full proposal >> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu >> >> In your screenshot is: >> * Home >> ** Administer Main Wiki >> ** Wiki Directory >> >> What it was proposed: >> * Home >> ** Administration >> ** Wikis Index >> ** .... >> >> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuSubWiki.png >> >> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuMain.png >> >> "Administer Main Wiki" was proposed as: >> - "Administration" >> or >> - "Administer Home" / "Administrate Home" >> depending if you were located in Home or in the (sub)wiki. >> >> >>>> We though this menu was confusing and not consistent with the current >>> menus: >>>> - Why do we have a link to the *main wiki* administration when we are >> in >>> a >>>> (sub)wiki? Does it make sense? >>> >> >> As an administrator I think it has sense to be able to administrate both >> the current (sub)wiki you are visiting and also the home (mainwiki). >> >> >>>> - Why do we have the main wiki (called Home) in the left of the current >>>> wiki, space and page? The fact that there is actually a "main" and >>> several >>>> "sub" wikis is only due to the implementation. We could imagine, in the >>>> future, a new implementation where there is no distinction between >> "main" >>>> and "sub", but where we have an independent "system" that allows the >>> users >>>> to create and manage their wikis. Then, it seems better to call the >> menu >>>> "System" or "XWiki". >>> >> >> The "main" and "sub" is transformed in "home" and "wiki". The menu displays >> the hierarchy: Home > Wiki > Space > Page and is also consistent with the >> way our cascading works for our preferences (rights, etc.) >> >>> - When we don't have the admin right on the main wiki, we only have a >>>> single item in this menu, meanwhile wiki, space and page has more >>> content. >>>> It does not look good. >>> >> >> In the proposal there is >> >> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuSubWiki.png >> Although this is not currently implemented, the idea is that we could also >> list for example the "Users Index" a.k.a the "User Directory" (especially >> since workspaces have only global users and the directory is located in the >> main wiki). In the proposal I've used " *** Index" in order to have a >> consistency between the index/directory applications naming. >> >> So the idea is that even if now there is only one entry in the submenu, we >> could have more entries (if they are related to the Home (mainwiki)). >> >> >>>> - If you are in the main wiki, you have "Administer main wiki" twice: >>> once >>>> in the Home menu, once in the Wiki menu. >>>> - The left menu has too many items. >>> >> >> If you are on the main wiki, the menu changes from >> * Menu in the (sub)wiki >> >> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuSubWiki.png >> in >> * Menu in the Home (mainwiki) >> >> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuMain.png >> >> The left menu contains items related to 'spatial organization of content' >> inside XWiki (wikis, spaces, pages) >> >> >>>> >>>> == Proposal B == >>>> Vincent thought it was not good enough to be integrated in 5.2M2, so we >>>> started to iterate until having this proposal: >>>> >>> >> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png(proposal >>>> B). >>>> >>>> Why putting this menu to the right side? It's because, on the left >> side, >>> we >>>> have Wiki/Space/Page, where you have actions that you can actually >>> achieve >>>> on these Wiki, Space and Page. Actions like "Administer", "Delete" or >>>> "Rename". The XWiki menu does not provide actions like that, it just >>>> provides some shortcuts to navigate thought the wikis. It's more a >>> "System" >>>> menu, like the Profile menu, or the Register action. That's why we put >> it >>>> there. Moreover, it make the left menu smaller, which is less >> confusing. >>> >> >> I don't like this proposal because is breaking the content organization >> hierarchy: home > wiki > space > page. >> You can consider our current menu to be composed of "Content || User". The >> "Content" part allows you to create new content and to see your location in >> the content hierarchy. The right menu is dedicated to User related actions. >> >> Also I don't like that it uses the name XWiki. Users want to customize >> their instance and not even show it's running on XWiki, making it their >> own. >> >> >>>> >>>> == Proposal C == >>>> We had also this idea: >>>> >>> >> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png(proposalC) >>>> But we didn't like it, because the "Wiki Directory" and the "Main Wiki" >>>> link are not related to the current wiki, meanwhile actions like >>>> "Administer", "Index" or "Delete" are. >>> >> >> Crowded and serves as a double function. >> >> >>>> >>>> --- >>>> After having created the proposal B, I asked Vincent: "What should I >> do? >>> Do >>>> I commit it, without asking to the community?". He said yes, because he >>>> wanted to have something to show to the community that can still be >>> changed >>>> for the RC1, and he applied the pull request. >>>> >>>> So, let me list again the 3 proposals we have: >>>> >>>> A - "Home" menu (Caty's proposal): >>>> Current implementation: >>>> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png >>>> Mockup with the new skin: >>>> >>> >> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/PortalMenu/MenuPortal.png >>>> >>>> B - "XWiki" right menu: >>>> >> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png >>>> >>>> C - Add actions to the "Wiki" menu: >>>> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png >>>> >>>> I propose to start a thread where you can all give your opinion, >>> regarding >>>> one of these proposals, and you can also bring new ideas. We must have >> a >>>> consensus for the RC1! >>>> >>>> 0 for proposal A (the left menu is too heavy). >>>> +0 for proposal B (not perfect IMHO). >>>> -1 for proposal C. >>>> >>> >> >> So, my vote goes to Ver. A, but the way it was proposed: >> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu >> >> (Wiki / (sub)wiki) >> * Home >> ** Administration >> ** --- >> ** Wikis Index/Directory >> ** Documents Index >> >> (Home/mainwiki) >> * Home >> ** Watch Home >> ** Administer Home >> ** --- >> ** Wikis Index >> ** Documents Index >> >> Thanks, >> Caty _______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
