Thanks for your answers! It seems we have a winner, so I start working on E.
Louis-Marie 2013/9/18 Eduard Moraru <[email protected]> > +1 for E. It's basically what Workspaces did from the start and that was > the whole point: navigation, hierarchy and consistency. I believe the first > users of Workspaces found it quite intuitive and nobody complained :) > > Side Note: I'm also against the notion of "System" in the UI that's > recently being pushed. > > Thanks, > Eduard > > > On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 11:37 AM, Sorin Burjan <[email protected] > >wrote: > > > +1 for E > > > > Regards, > > Sorin B. > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 11:24 AM, Silvia Rusu <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > Hi! > > > > > > I like Proposal E the best, so +1 for E. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Silvia > > > > > > On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 4:27 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Hi. > > > > > > > > Seems RC1 is soon, I encourage everybody to give his point of view in > > > order > > > > to make a choice. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Guillaume > > > > > > > > > > > > 2013/9/12 Jeremie BOUSQUET <[email protected]> > > > > > > > >> Hi, > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> 2013/9/12 Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau <[email protected]> > > > >> > > > >> > Indeed, the proposal A was based on > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/PortalMenuinstead > > > >> > of > > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu. > > > >> > > > > >> > Then I suggest to call your proposal: E. > > > >> > > > > >> > Let me recap: > > > >> > > > > >> > - Proposal A : Tiny "Home menu". > > > >> > > > > >> > - Proposal B : XWiki right side menu > > > >> > > > > >> > - Proposal C : Wiki crowded menu > > > >> > > > > >> > - Proposal D : Add a menu on the top-left logo. > > > >> > > > > >> > - Proposal E : The complete "Home menu" proposed by Caty. > > > >> > > > > >> > -- > > > >> > > > > >> > About E: > > > >> > Some issues IMHO: > > > >> > - The amount of menus is not the same when you are in the home > wiki > > > and > > > >> > when you are in the subwiki. > > > >> > - Do we really need to have a direct access to the documents, the > > > users > > > >> and > > > >> > the applications of the home wiki when you are in the subwiki? > Can't > > > it > > > >> be > > > >> > confusing? > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> I would say: it depends. > > > >> In "farm" concept it's almost completely useless, because different > > > persons > > > >> will administrate different subwikis of their own and someone else > > will > > > >> administrate main wiki. > > > >> In "workspace" concept, I find very useful to be able to > administrate > > > main > > > >> wiki without having to browse to main wiki, because I may find > myself > > > >> wanting to administer main wiki just anytime, while I administer a > > > subwiki > > > >> merely to manage users allowed in this subwiki ... and, yes, install > > > >> extensions and choose a color theme. > > > >> > > > >> To be honest, I use 5.1 + Workspace extension, and I hardly have any > > > issue > > > >> with navigating through wikis, administering this or that etc ... > The > > > only > > > >> thing I would miss, are some quick links to switch to a wiki or the > > > other > > > >> (instead of having to browse to a "Workspace directory" page), but > > this > > > >> kind of thing does not really scale with numerous wikis. > > > >> > > > >> I like Vincent's idea to tweak the home logo, as I never quite liked > > the > > > >> idea of a "Home" menu - home in websites is typically the homepage, > > and > > > >> nothing else. > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > Thanks, > > > >> > Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > 2013/9/12 Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <[email protected]> > > > >> > > > > >> > > On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 2:27 PM, Vincent Massol < > > [email protected] > > > > > > > >> > > wrote: > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > You forgot one proposal which I like: > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > == Proposal D == > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > * Generalize the XWiki home (the logo at the top left) > > > >> > > > * When you click on the logo you get to the home of the > current > > > wiki > > > >> > > > * The proposal is about generalizing that feature to allow > > > navigating > > > >> > > > either to the wiki home, to the main wiki or to the list of > > other > > > >> wikis > > > >> > > > * It could be done by showing a menu arrow when the mouse > hover > > > over > > > >> > the > > > >> > > > logo and when the mouse moves over the arrow, show a menu with > > > first > > > >> > > entry > > > >> > > > = "Main Wiki" (or "Home Wiki" if you prefer) and a second > entry > > > with > > > >> > > "Wiki > > > >> > > > Index" for example. > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > What I like with this is that the user is already used to use > > the > > > >> logo > > > >> > as > > > >> > > > a way to navigate to the home of wiki. > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > Thanks > > > >> > > > -Vincent > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > On Sep 12, 2013, at 12:31 PM, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau > < > > > >> > > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > Hi developers. > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > Tuesday evening, after trying to fix all issues that > integrate > > > >> > > Workspace > > > >> > > > in > > > >> > > > > XE made, I had a bit of time to work on this JIRA: > > > >> > > > > http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-9341 "Menu improvements > > when > > > >> > > > Workspaces > > > >> > > > > activated". > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > The idea was to quickly implement the Caty's proposal for M2 > > > (which > > > >> > was > > > >> > > > > scheduled for the day after). I made it and I sent a pull > > > request. > > > >> I > > > >> > > have > > > >> > > > > also sent a mail to Vincent to show him my work. > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > == Proposal A == > > > >> > > > > There is some screenshots (Proposal A): > > > >> > > > > Logged as admin: > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png > > > >> > > > > Not logged as admin: > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu-non-admin.png > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > You can get it from this commit: > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > https://github.com/xwiki/xwiki-platform/commit/8c1c1bac2cde30f9024525e50249382e3d2c4138 > > > >> > > > > (except that I have changed the wiki icon for this > screenshot) > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > So I just want to link again the 'Home Menu' full proposal > > > >> > > > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu > > > >> > > > > > >> > > In your screenshot is: > > > >> > > * Home > > > >> > > ** Administer Main Wiki > > > >> > > ** Wiki Directory > > > >> > > > > > >> > > What it was proposed: > > > >> > > * Home > > > >> > > ** Administration > > > >> > > ** Wikis Index > > > >> > > ** .... > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuSubWiki.png > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuMain.png > > > >> > > > > > >> > > "Administer Main Wiki" was proposed as: > > > >> > > - "Administration" > > > >> > > or > > > >> > > - "Administer Home" / "Administrate Home" > > > >> > > depending if you were located in Home or in the (sub)wiki. > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > We though this menu was confusing and not consistent with > the > > > >> current > > > >> > > > menus: > > > >> > > > > - Why do we have a link to the *main wiki* administration > when > > > we > > > >> are > > > >> > > in > > > >> > > > a > > > >> > > > > (sub)wiki? Does it make sense? > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > As an administrator I think it has sense to be able to > > administrate > > > >> both > > > >> > > the current (sub)wiki you are visiting and also the home > > (mainwiki). > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > - Why do we have the main wiki (called Home) in the left of > > the > > > >> > current > > > >> > > > > wiki, space and page? The fact that there is actually a > "main" > > > and > > > >> > > > several > > > >> > > > > "sub" wikis is only due to the implementation. We could > > > imagine, in > > > >> > the > > > >> > > > > future, a new implementation where there is no distinction > > > between > > > >> > > "main" > > > >> > > > > and "sub", but where we have an independent "system" that > > allows > > > >> the > > > >> > > > users > > > >> > > > > to create and manage their wikis. Then, it seems better to > > call > > > the > > > >> > > menu > > > >> > > > > "System" or "XWiki". > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > The "main" and "sub" is transformed in "home" and "wiki". The > menu > > > >> > displays > > > >> > > the hierarchy: Home > Wiki > Space > Page and is also consistent > > > with > > > >> the > > > >> > > way our cascading works for our preferences (rights, etc.) > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > - When we don't have the admin right on the main wiki, we only > > > have a > > > >> > > > > single item in this menu, meanwhile wiki, space and page has > > > more > > > >> > > > content. > > > >> > > > > It does not look good. > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > In the proposal there is > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuSubWiki.png > > > >> > > Although this is not currently implemented, the idea is that we > > > could > > > >> > also > > > >> > > list for example the "Users Index" a.k.a the "User Directory" > > > >> (especially > > > >> > > since workspaces have only global users and the directory is > > > located in > > > >> > the > > > >> > > main wiki). In the proposal I've used " *** Index" in order to > > have > > > a > > > >> > > consistency between the index/directory applications naming. > > > >> > > > > > >> > > So the idea is that even if now there is only one entry in the > > > submenu, > > > >> > we > > > >> > > could have more entries (if they are related to the Home > > > (mainwiki)). > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > - If you are in the main wiki, you have "Administer main > wiki" > > > >> twice: > > > >> > > > once > > > >> > > > > in the Home menu, once in the Wiki menu. > > > >> > > > > - The left menu has too many items. > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > If you are on the main wiki, the menu changes from > > > >> > > * Menu in the (sub)wiki > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuSubWiki.png > > > >> > > in > > > >> > > * Menu in the Home (mainwiki) > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuMain.png > > > >> > > > > > >> > > The left menu contains items related to 'spatial organization of > > > >> content' > > > >> > > inside XWiki (wikis, spaces, pages) > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > == Proposal B == > > > >> > > > > Vincent thought it was not good enough to be integrated in > > > 5.2M2, > > > >> so > > > >> > we > > > >> > > > > started to iterate until having this proposal: > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png(proposal > > > >> > > > > B). > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > Why putting this menu to the right side? It's because, on > the > > > left > > > >> > > side, > > > >> > > > we > > > >> > > > > have Wiki/Space/Page, where you have actions that you can > > > actually > > > >> > > > achieve > > > >> > > > > on these Wiki, Space and Page. Actions like "Administer", > > > "Delete" > > > >> or > > > >> > > > > "Rename". The XWiki menu does not provide actions like that, > > it > > > >> just > > > >> > > > > provides some shortcuts to navigate thought the wikis. It's > > > more a > > > >> > > > "System" > > > >> > > > > menu, like the Profile menu, or the Register action. That's > > why > > > we > > > >> > put > > > >> > > it > > > >> > > > > there. Moreover, it make the left menu smaller, which is > less > > > >> > > confusing. > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > I don't like this proposal because is breaking the content > > > organization > > > >> > > hierarchy: home > wiki > space > page. > > > >> > > You can consider our current menu to be composed of "Content || > > > User". > > > >> > The > > > >> > > "Content" part allows you to create new content and to see your > > > >> location > > > >> > in > > > >> > > the content hierarchy. The right menu is dedicated to User > related > > > >> > actions. > > > >> > > > > > >> > > Also I don't like that it uses the name XWiki. Users want to > > > customize > > > >> > > their instance and not even show it's running on XWiki, making > it > > > their > > > >> > > own. > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > == Proposal C == > > > >> > > > > We had also this idea: > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png(proposalC) > > > >> > > > > But we didn't like it, because the "Wiki Directory" and the > > > "Main > > > >> > Wiki" > > > >> > > > > link are not related to the current wiki, meanwhile actions > > like > > > >> > > > > "Administer", "Index" or "Delete" are. > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > Crowded and serves as a double function. > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > --- > > > >> > > > > After having created the proposal B, I asked Vincent: "What > > > should > > > >> I > > > >> > > do? > > > >> > > > Do > > > >> > > > > I commit it, without asking to the community?". He said yes, > > > >> because > > > >> > he > > > >> > > > > wanted to have something to show to the community that can > > > still be > > > >> > > > changed > > > >> > > > > for the RC1, and he applied the pull request. > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > So, let me list again the 3 proposals we have: > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > A - "Home" menu (Caty's proposal): > > > >> > > > > Current implementation: > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png > > > >> > > > > Mockup with the new skin: > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/PortalMenu/MenuPortal.png > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > B - "XWiki" right menu: > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > C - Add actions to the "Wiki" menu: > > > >> > > > > > > > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > I propose to start a thread where you can all give your > > opinion, > > > >> > > > regarding > > > >> > > > > one of these proposals, and you can also bring new ideas. We > > > must > > > >> > have > > > >> > > a > > > >> > > > > consensus for the RC1! > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > 0 for proposal A (the left menu is too heavy). > > > >> > > > > +0 for proposal B (not perfect IMHO). > > > >> > > > > -1 for proposal C. > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > So, my vote goes to Ver. A, but the way it was proposed: > > > >> > > > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu > > > >> > > > > > >> > > (Wiki / (sub)wiki) > > > >> > > * Home > > > >> > > ** Administration > > > >> > > ** --- > > > >> > > ** Wikis Index/Directory > > > >> > > ** Documents Index > > > >> > > > > > >> > > (Home/mainwiki) > > > >> > > * Home > > > >> > > ** Watch Home > > > >> > > ** Administer Home > > > >> > > ** --- > > > >> > > ** Wikis Index > > > >> > > ** Documents Index > > > >> > > > > > >> > > Thanks, > > > >> > > Caty > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Louis-Marie > > > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > >> > > > > devs mailing list > > > >> > > > > [email protected] > > > >> > > > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > _______________________________________________ > > > >> > > > devs mailing list > > > >> > > > [email protected] > > > >> > > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > > >> > > devs mailing list > > > >> > > [email protected] > > > >> > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > > > >> > > > > > >> > _______________________________________________ > > > >> > devs mailing list > > > >> > [email protected] > > > >> > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > > > >> > > > > >> _______________________________________________ > > > >> devs mailing list > > > >> [email protected] > > > >> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > > > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > devs mailing list > > > > [email protected] > > > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > > > _______________________________________________ > > > devs mailing list > > > [email protected] > > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > devs mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > > > _______________________________________________ > devs mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > _______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
