I do not see any problem with D community. It is one of the best community I known btw. I would like to have better IDE support for D too, but this is something I do not see comming until Jetbrains make it for us (and I do not see why would they do this until D is much more popular)
On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 10:19 AM, Benro via Digitalmars-d < digitalmars-d@puremagic.com> wrote: > On Tuesday, 16 May 2017 at 23:17:10 UTC, Mike B Johnson wrote: > >> >> Grow up!!!!! >> >> ! is not yelling. It makes no sound, has no meaning, and only exists to >> insert in to tight anuses that have no life. >> > > Thank you for your helpful comment. > > I wonder if the inability for D community to grow is not more related to > the fairly noticeable arrogant attitude of its members. > > One only need to read past messages on this forum to see the exact same > issue over and over again. People mention issues and the standard response: > "Why do you not do x" or act with a sense of superiority. > > Maybe too many people have been D member too long but its obvious that > there are too many steps for new users to use D, unlike with other new > languages. > > D as a language is fairly feature complete. But everything around it just > screams "skipped leg day". > > Lets see with other languages? > > Go: Full working IDEs where things just work out of the box. > > ** IntelliJ: You can simply get Gogland and it works great. > ** VSC: vscode-go work perfectly. > > Rust: > > ** IntelliJ: intellij-rust plugin works great, few steps required. > ** VSC: vscode-rust ... > > I am using these languages because they are young languages. Despite that > they outrun D on several fronts. > > It takes me 10 minutes in other languages to get a full working IDE with > lots of Editor/IDE choices. It takes time, hours of reading, compiling, > configuring to try and get a full working IDE on D. And no, color syntax > does not count. > > I do not want to disparage the D plugin authors but one only needs to see > the update history of all the D, Go, Rust, ... plugins to see the > difference in activity. There is a lack of passion. Maybe its just my > impression but this language seems to be support really by maybe a dozen > people at best. What happens if Walter and Andrei call it quits? Or god > forbids anything happens to them. > > > I do not know about you but posting a point of criticism in the other > communities does not result in such drama. Maybe people have gotten too > sensitive and desperate for protecting the language that criticism is > considered bad. > > But you think that responses like "if you would have took the time to > report it!". No ... when i report issues in the other languages, nobody > acts like that. Even if it was a misunderstanding, i notice people jumping > on each other here WAY too much in previous posts. > > Let me mention how a few other languages do things: > > Predictable release schedules: Rust every 6 weeks a release. Go six month > release a release. D? Whenever? > > Plugin support: Well, see above. Even the Google able Editor/IDE wiki page > is out of date ( https://wiki.dlang.org/IDEs, > https://wiki.dlang.org/Editors ). From my understanding there are about 4 > or 5 plugin/editors that have some life in them. All the rest seems > abandoned. Inviting is it not? > > Community: Outside this forum almost non existing unless you consider > reddit/programming. Where other languages have active communities outside > there main side / forum. > > Proposals: DIP how many gave gotten accepted, that are NOT part of the > main developers like Walter and Andrei. Most seem to turn into a slugfests > for ages and they slowly die. Other languages seems to have a much more > inviting attitude towards proposals. > > Tooling: Split, manual compile jobs, not part of the main installation. > > dmd, rdmd why do they even exist in this wat? rdmd needs to be default. > Nothing more fun as trying to get a module to run, getting a cryptic > message only to find out you need to use rdmd or use dmd with flags link to > it. What are we 1980's? > > Even the default dmd info is too much. User friendly it is not. The > advanced information needs to be behind a flag, not dumped onto a user his > screen. > > It feels like C++ software from the 80s that assumes that ever user can > spend a few hours reading / understanding each flag. > > > How about focusing on one compiler instead of splitting your community in > three. Its a wast of resources. There is a clear lack of people to support > the language and this attitude of running people off. Great idea <sarcasm>. > > > Its no wonder that Go, Rust simply jumped over D. Its not about corporate > backers, its about how the community is build up. > > > I can go on but it feels like trowing words at a wall. There are a LOT of > issues that are obvious for any outsider to see after a short amount of > time. > > > Deal with these comments how you like. Maybe you think i am trolling but > that make me the most stupid Troll to wast so much time writing this. > > Frankly, i like the D language but there is a instant dislike to this > community. Like most people i do not have the time to deal with drama. This > is my last attempt at going with D. Good day to you Sir! >
