On Friday, 22 June 2012 at 17:06:19 UTC, Roman D. Boiko wrote:
On Friday, 22 June 2012 at 16:08:13 UTC, Mehrdad wrote:
The trouble is I only see what you write, not what you think.
What you're writing here is very clearly different in tone
from what you said before, even if it wasn't intentional.
(Usually the onus is more on the speaker to get his words
across, not on the reader to try and decipher them.)
Comparing what Dmitry wrote earlier:
If you can't figure it out on your own, chances are you won't
be able to do what you wanted in the first place (e.g.
real-time micro-kernel).
and
Yeah, I understand how it could be frustrating, but once you
are on this kind of level you usually already running circles
around all of this stuff.
to later interpretation:
1. I classify the above as speculation on my part, namely to
put it in other words (not featuring any individual):
"this work take a lot of low-level hacking meaning that
investigating symbols output by compiler and their meaning is
least of problem there usually"
may seem to be very different at first. But in Russian the
first and the last sentences would have similar meanings.
lol. I don't speak Russian, sorry. :\
For me, the first one would imply the last one, but not
necessarily the other way around.
In general, it is difficult to predict how something is going
to be perceived. So it is usually OK for a person to say
something assuming that others will understand the intended
meaning, provided that clarification is given on request.
I suppose?
Though if someone were trying to insult you, I'm not sure if they
would ever confirm, "Yes, I mean to say you're an idiot", or that
they would necessarily repeat it, even if you asked them. (Sad
but true, I think.)
So I'm not sure if you can ask for a clarification for
everything...
In this case, Dmitry provided a very reasonable clarification
about the meaning of word 'level'. And interpretation of a
statement which I quoted first is reasonably equivalent to what
Dmitry provided later.
Well, yes; he clearly said:
I meant actually low level. Like "down to hardware/OS" so it's
rather the opposite ;)
so that would've been fine.
What didn't help the situation was the other part...
"[...] you usually already running circles around all of this
stuff"
With that part, it was saying, "If you don't know this stuff then
you shouldn't be working at this level", _NOT_ "you're going to
have bigger problems at this level". The implications are
different.
Maybe my reasoning was weird, but that's how it came across...
(I'm from Ukraine, we speak Russian well. Dmitry is from
Russia. Hope you will believe me.)
I have no reason not to. :)
But I also have a hard time integrating that fact into the rest
of the discussion, since I obviously don't know Russian.
