Your definition might be called what "good SS" is and the way ROS does SS might 
be called what "bad SS" is. But how wide is PSK31?  Is ROS wider?  So ROS is 
wider than needed to convey intelligence.  

What's sad is that one country's regulations (and they affect me since I live 
there) focus on the mechanism instead of the bandwidth. 

Your point is well taken, but not relevant to people under the FCC's 
jurisdiction.

  Jim - K6JM

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: jsavitsky 
  To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2010 2:39 AM
  Subject: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better !


    


  --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Alan Beagley <ajbeag...@...> wrote:
  >
  > It seems to me that the developer of the mode may have cooked his own 
  > goose: he declared it to be a spread-spectrum mode, and spread-spectrum 
  > is mot legal on HF in the USA.

  In spite of what author claims, ROS is not a spread spectrum mode. Spread 
spectrum definition said that the SS signal is spread over the much wider 
frequency band (orders of magnitude) than the bandwidth minimum required to 
convey the intelligence. Let's take a pencil and do some math to check this 
with Shannon-Hartley law for channel capacity:

  C = B log2 (1 + S/N), where C ---- channel capacity in bps, B ---- channel 
bandwidth in Hz, S/N ---- signal to noise ratio.

  ROS1 mode is capable of 21 characters per second and -30 dB S/N. Assume we 
have 7 bit characters. So, it's 21 * 7 / 60 = 2.45 bps. S/N = (-30 dB) = 0.001. 
The required channel bandwidth to transmit 2.45 bps with -30 dB S/N ratio will 
be:

  B = C / log2 (1 + S/N) = 2.45 / log2 (1 + 0.001) = 1699 Hz

  It's not hard to see that 1699 Hz ~ 2250 Hz. With this example it needs to be 
at least 17 kHz for name it spread spectrum.

  > 73
  > 
  > Alan NV8A

  73 Ivan UR5VIB

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