The naivete of this post is astounding. On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 5:15 PM, Mark Dennehy <[email protected]> wrote: > I suspect what members of LOPSA want and don't want will be irrelevant, > because regulation is usually pushed on professionals by the public they > serve (and who are failed and burned by the chancers).
The European Gild system, from which all this crap developed, was explicitly used to control(limit) knowledge and entry into the market. Copyright was established in England to benefit the publishers, authors be damned - and has changed little since, other than in global reach. The medical profession, which has perhaps the best reason for a certification regime, has a horrible record of self regulation, reflexively protecting many a bad doctor at the expense of patients. Only in the face of another mob (the lawyers) has any recourse been had, not that the patient sees much of that either. and that only in the states. Furthermore, as a former Licensed Broker, I can guarantee that the regulatory purpose is only superficially an objective. If you have a problem with a financial firm, I invite you to try and seek legal recourse. You will find that the extent of any recourse is limited to arbitration by others in the industry(retired).* Hell, try and raise money for a project and you soon find yourself paying $MM for accounting that only a few thousand businesses really need. And don't get me started on the con game of European Accounting (soon to be world wide) Standards. It is all very tightly regulated marginally for the safety of the general public but primarily to steer any potential aggregation of funds, and the fees that result, into the financial industry. Why do you think "Too Big To Fail" remains the same problem it was before 2008? The Too Big folks are the ones at the top of the pyramid - and the point is that there is only one pyramid. That is how you get a Treasury Secretary that skipped out on paying his own taxes - don't try that at home kids, you would get screwed. *last I checked there were two exceptions - little old ladies and sexual harassment. > As to mechanics, well, it's different where I come from - they are regulated > in Ireland, the training is done via four-year apprenticeships with approved > mechanics, with continual assessment and a structured curriculum. When you > have an MOT/NCT system (that's the national is-your-car-roadworthy test in > Ireland and the UK), you need to have mechanics with a standard level of > competence, and the normal reaction to that need from the lay person is to > demand regulation. so how much does that cost annually? and that drivers license? driving is really only for the upper classes on that side of the pond - right ;) > The day the lay person comes to accept that their life as they know it right > down to their most basic needs, is utterly dependant on computer systems > working as they should, we'll see an irresistible demand for regulation. And > by irresistible, I mean politicians drafting legislation that says we don't > get to work as sysadmins unless we have X, Y and Z certification. It's > inevitable really, the only question is whether it'll happen during our > professional lives or not. and there will be an app for that - and then owning a computer will get even more expensive for those same poor saps. Tell me - you guys still paying a tax to BBC because your monitor looks like a TV? or is that the other island the power plays here are far too toxic for LOPSA to undertake anything in this area. > > On 15 November 2011 23:23, <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> On Mon, 14 Nov 2011, Lawrence K. Chen, P.Eng. wrote: >> >>> Yeah...this kind of question might stir up more sides if it were posed to >>> a >>> list that wasn't LOPSA.... Since, isn't one of the reasons we belong to >>> LOPSA >>> is that we want this to happen. >> >> Not everyone in LOPSA wants regulation of system administration to happen. >> >> I don't want everyone who is a system administrator to have to get a >> license/certification/approval because I see the job of being a system >> administrator as being so broad that having such a restriction is like >> restricting ownership of typewriters or photocopiers in that it will >> restrict people's fundamental free speach rights and what they are allowed >> to do with their own property. >> >> I would also oppose any requirement to require an "Internet Drivers >> License" or certification before anyone is allowed to connect a computer to >> the Internet. >> >> >> Not every field that has Professionals in it is licensed and regulated. >> Take the example of mechanics. You don't need to have any sort of license to >> work on a car. You don't even need to have a license or certification to >> open a shop working on other people's cars. There are specific subfields >> where you do need to have a license to be paid to work on someone's car >> (brakes and lights), and there are a lot of people (especially insurance >> companies) that will not do business with you unless you do get formal >> training and certifications, but nobody claims that there are no >> professional mechanics, and anyone who goes around claiming that the world >> would be better if only everyone who ever turned a wrench was licensed and >> regulated will just get laughed at. >> >> I see being a System Administrator as being very similar to being a >> Mechanic. >> >> David Lang >> _______________________________________________ >> Discuss mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.lopsa.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss >> This list provided by the League of Professional System Administrators >> http://lopsa.org/ > > > > -- > Mark Dennehy > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.lopsa.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss > This list provided by the League of Professional System Administrators > http://lopsa.org/ > > _______________________________________________ Discuss mailing list [email protected] https://lists.lopsa.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss This list provided by the League of Professional System Administrators http://lopsa.org/
