On Wed, 16 Nov 2011, Mark Dennehy wrote:
I suspect what members of LOPSA want and don't want will be irrelevant,
because regulation is usually pushed on professionals by the public they
serve (and who are failed and burned by the chancers).
As to mechanics, well, it's different where I come from - they are
regulated in Ireland, the training is done via four-year apprenticeships
with approved mechanics, with continual assessment and a structured
curriculum. When you have an MOT/NCT system (that's the national
is-your-car-roadworthy test in Ireland and the UK), you need to have
mechanics with a standard level of competence, and the normal reaction to
that need from the lay person is to demand regulation.
but does this mean that you aren't allowed to work on your own car? or
only that if you are going to certify that a car will pass the test you
must be certified?
what about farmers working on their own tractors?
I would be _really_ surprised if there were no entry-level jobs for
mechanics that did not require certification, a 4-year training before you
can start work is rather extreme, even in law you can work before you pass
the bar, and you can prepare your own legal documents with no
certification at all.
David Lang
The day the lay person comes to accept that their life as they know it
right down to their most basic needs, is utterly dependant on computer
systems working as they should, we'll see an irresistible demand for
regulation. And by irresistible, I mean politicians drafting legislation
that says we don't get to work as sysadmins unless we have X, Y and Z
certification. It's inevitable really, the only question is whether it'll
happen during our professional lives or not.
On 15 November 2011 23:23, <[email protected]> wrote:
On Mon, 14 Nov 2011, Lawrence K. Chen, P.Eng. wrote:
Yeah...this kind of question might stir up more sides if it were posed to
a
list that wasn't LOPSA.... Since, isn't one of the reasons we belong to
LOPSA
is that we want this to happen.
Not everyone in LOPSA wants regulation of system administration to happen.
I don't want everyone who is a system administrator to have to get a
license/certification/approval because I see the job of being a system
administrator as being so broad that having such a restriction is like
restricting ownership of typewriters or photocopiers in that it will
restrict people's fundamental free speach rights and what they are allowed
to do with their own property.
I would also oppose any requirement to require an "Internet Drivers
License" or certification before anyone is allowed to connect a computer to
the Internet.
Not every field that has Professionals in it is licensed and regulated.
Take the example of mechanics. You don't need to have any sort of license
to work on a car. You don't even need to have a license or certification to
open a shop working on other people's cars. There are specific subfields
where you do need to have a license to be paid to work on someone's car
(brakes and lights), and there are a lot of people (especially insurance
companies) that will not do business with you unless you do get formal
training and certifications, but nobody claims that there are no
professional mechanics, and anyone who goes around claiming that the world
would be better if only everyone who ever turned a wrench was licensed and
regulated will just get laughed at.
I see being a System Administrator as being very similar to being a
Mechanic.
David Lang
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