I think it's tough to ignore the timezone, and possibly language distinction for multiple virtual chapters. It's easy to ponder a French or Spanish virtual chapter, or Chinese for that matter. I wouldn't expect the national group to attempt to run any of these. I think your example of east/west coast is too narrow because, as you pointed out 3 hours isn't that big of a difference. But Australians, Europeans and Americans would almost never end up in the same virtual chapter (across 24 hours) for obvious reasons, though there will definitely be some cross-pollination. If one considers it as the first test of the first virtual chapter among possibly many, sure, it's possible to just subsume it under the national, but it's just as easy to say that it's not. I don't think there's any more or less volunteer constraints either direction. What is constrained if there is more than one, which is definitely possible to imagine, is the organizer's time. It seems like Martin is organizing the first. If we franchise off that model, then each subsequent virtual chapter, be it in a different language, a different timezone, or even relegated to a certain technology (DevOps or HPC virtual chapters, anyone?), needs a new set of people and organizers along some common thread.
I think, Derek, your main thought is fine, but its taking too narrow a focus. If one is contemplating this as a multi-chapter operation, which is definitely a reasonable thing to do, then why shouldn't it be like the regional chapters and/or affiliate model that already exists? PS - I'm around far more at 12am than 8am, to the chagrin of the dog PPS - Get off of my lawn On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 1:05 PM, Will Dennis <[email protected]> wrote: > Another way to think about it: Does LOPSA do direct interaction with its > constituency, or only via chapters? (i.e. do we have a hierarchical > organization?) > > > > You can call it a “virtual chapter” or anything else, but I think more > time should be spent on figuring out content delivery / fostering member > interaction / advertising, etc. rather than the legalisms of bringing a > “virtual chapter” into being (if that’s indeed what is being considered.) > > > > Just get something together without a lot of overhead, pick a delivery > platform (WebEx, GHang’s, etc.), advertise it, and see who shows up… “Fail > early and often” and iterate. > > > > My $0.02, > > Will > > > > *From:* [email protected] [mailto: > [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Derek Balling > *Sent:* Friday, May 09, 2014 12:28 PM > *To:* Evan Pettrey > *Cc:* LOPSA Discuss List > *Subject:* Re: [lopsa-discuss] Looking for an organizer for the first > virtual LOPSA Chapter > > > > > > On May 9, 2014, at 12:14 PM, Evan Pettrey <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > I think you're being a bit pedantic here and I'm not sure it is > necessary or beneficial to the discussion. > > > > I completely disagree. To ME, IMHO, going through this "virtual chapter" > process is an unnecessary use of the scarce resource we have called "time". > > > > I think what he's talking about DOING is great. I think scheduling regular > hangouts, etc., is a great thing for LOPSA members to have and participate > in. I think consuming his time, the locals committee's time, etc., creating > such a "chapter", however, is completely wasted. It smells of the type of > "planning to plan" type of stuff that bogs down volunteer groups. > > > > What does he want? Social/technical/learning experiences with other LOPSA > members who aren't geographically proximal? So make that happen, set up the > schedule for the hangouts, etc., but don't get bogged down in all the > details of the Locals policy, like figuring who the "chapter members" of > record are, who allow the chapter to maintain its charter, etc., etc. > Just schedule and advertise the hangouts and let any member who wants to be > involved be involved. > > > > Every expense of scarce volunteer time should have an actual net > beneficial outcome. Spending time on the virtual-chapter portion of this > project doesn't do that. (Spending time on the "meat" of this project has > plenty of benefits, obviously). > > > > I've said my piece, at this point. We're all grown-ups and can make our > own life choices. :-) > > > > D > > > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.lopsa.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss > This list provided by the League of Professional System Administrators > http://lopsa.org/ > >
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