Didn't LOPSA press the pause button on the LPR program? ...I have a vague recollection there was a legal question raised that an *educational* non-profit might not be permitted to give professional certifications.
-- Craig Constantine, http://constantine.name On Jun 30, 2015, at 2:11 PM, David Lang <[email protected]> wrote: On Sat, 27 Jun 2015, Craig Cook wrote: > <snip> > A better field to think about is Auto Mechanic. > <snip> > > I like the cars example as well. You have specialists working in high end > racing teams doing amazing things to get their teams car across the line > first. > > Some system administrators do similar feats squeezing the last bit of > performance out of infrastructure to help their companies win (e.g. stock > market trading). > > You have some mechanics who can work well on an entire car. Motor, > transmission, brakes, etc. > > You have some system administrators who work well in lots of infrastructure > areas, hardware, OS, apps, storage, network, etc. > > You have some mechanics who specialize, e.g. a transmission shop. > > You have some system administrators who also specialize. e.g. Windows or > Linux Administrator. > > You have hobbyist mechanics who work on their own cars. > > You have hobbyist sys admins too. > > Wide range of skill levels in both fields. There is even a whole lot of > technology in the automotive field. Exactly, the more I look at it the better the parallels. slashdot has an interesting post today, similar discussion but talking about programming. http://news.slashdot.org/story/15/06/30/016225/how-computer-science-education-got-practical-again a couple good examples from the comments Computer Science and Computer Programming (Score:3) by CHK6 (583097) on Tuesday June 30, 2015 @08:34AM (#50017919) There is a gulf difference between what I consider Computer Science and Computer Programming. They are easily mistaken as one in the same. The easiest way to explain the differences between a computer scientist and a computer programmer is a computer scientist develops algorithms optimized for binary logic; they are in a sense the mad scientists in the lab. Where as a computer programmer knows a set of computer languages and creates solutions; which they are in a sense the practical applicators of what computer scientists create. Now there is a lot of overlap between the two in varying degrees based on the skill set one has. Most computer scientists have programming skills and most programmers know how to optimize code, but it's what the primarily focus on that splits the difference. What this author is trying to say is computer programming can be a trade of a learned skill set, much like a brick layer is a learned skill set; albeit a crude example. If companies are bemoaning about the lack of computer programmers and the skill sets in the market, then they need to realize that mandating a college degree is not needed. It makes no sense that 120+ credit hours from a collegiate university where a large chunk of those credits have nothing to do with the skills sets needed for the degree are needed. When in actuality, 1 to 2 years of full time study in just computer programming is more than enough. This is the same for other trades like electricians, plumbers, machinists, and the other vital skill sets needed for society's infrastructure. We do not expect the vital skill sets for these (electricians, plumbers, etc. etc.) professionals to have 4 to 6 years degrees. IT makes no difference to me if an electrician has read and studied G. Chaucer's Canterbury Tal es or if a plumber understand the photosynthesis of pine trees. Yet for some unknown reason companies think you must have the lick and seal of a university degree to be a "good" computer programmer. Programmers are the new bricklayers (Score:4, Insightful) by mystuff (1088543) on Tuesday June 30, 2015 @07:40AM (#50017663) Sure, but you can't ask a team of bricklayers to assemble a livable house. In fact in this analogy it's so obvious that you also need an architect, a plumber, etc, that there's no need to even mention it. But when it comes to programmers and (corporate) management it's a whole different story. They will get a team of 'bricklayers' together and tell them to build the next Youtube - or a bit close to home, the next corporate content distribution platform - and then be utterly dumbfounded when that blows up in their face. _______________________________________________ Discuss mailing list [email protected] https://lists.lopsa.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss This list provided by the League of Professional System Administrators http://lopsa.org/ _______________________________________________ Discuss mailing list [email protected] https://lists.lopsa.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss This list provided by the League of Professional System Administrators http://lopsa.org/
