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Yes, it did. But apparently the LPR web site was never updated/taken-down/etc.? D On 6/30/2015 3:21 PM, Craig Constantine wrote: > Didn't LOPSA press the pause button on the LPR program? ...I have a > vague recollection there was a legal question raised that an > *educational* non-profit might not be permitted to give > professional certifications. > > -- Craig Constantine, http://constantine.name > > > On Jun 30, 2015, at 2:11 PM, David Lang <[email protected]> wrote: > > On Sat, 27 Jun 2015, Craig Cook wrote: > >> <snip> A better field to think about is Auto Mechanic. <snip> >> >> I like the cars example as well. You have specialists working in >> high end racing teams doing amazing things to get their teams car >> across the line first. >> >> Some system administrators do similar feats squeezing the last >> bit of performance out of infrastructure to help their companies >> win (e.g. stock market trading). >> >> You have some mechanics who can work well on an entire car. >> Motor, transmission, brakes, etc. >> >> You have some system administrators who work well in lots of >> infrastructure areas, hardware, OS, apps, storage, network, etc. >> >> You have some mechanics who specialize, e.g. a transmission >> shop. >> >> You have some system administrators who also specialize. e.g. >> Windows or Linux Administrator. >> >> You have hobbyist mechanics who work on their own cars. >> >> You have hobbyist sys admins too. >> >> Wide range of skill levels in both fields. There is even a whole >> lot of technology in the automotive field. > > Exactly, the more I look at it the better the parallels. > > slashdot has an interesting post today, similar discussion but > talking about programming. > > http://news.slashdot.org/story/15/06/30/016225/how-computer-science-ed ucation-got-practical-again > > a couple good examples from the comments > > > > Computer Science and Computer Programming (Score:3) by CHK6 > (583097) on Tuesday June 30, 2015 @08:34AM (#50017919) There is a > gulf difference between what I consider Computer Science and > Computer Programming. They are easily mistaken as one in the same. > The easiest way to explain the differences between a computer > scientist and a computer programmer is a computer scientist > develops algorithms optimized for binary logic; they are in a sense > the mad scientists in the lab. Where as a computer programmer knows > a set of computer languages and creates solutions; which they are > in a sense the practical applicators of what computer scientists > create. > > Now there is a lot of overlap between the two in varying degrees > based on the skill set one has. Most computer scientists have > programming skills and most programmers know how to optimize code, > but it's what the primarily focus on that splits the difference. > > What this author is trying to say is computer programming can be a > trade of a learned skill set, much like a brick layer is a learned > skill set; albeit a crude example. If companies are bemoaning about > the lack of computer programmers and the skill sets in the market, > then they need to realize that mandating a college degree is not > needed. It makes no sense that 120+ credit hours from a collegiate > university where a large chunk of those credits have nothing to do > with the skills sets needed for the degree are needed. When in > actuality, 1 to 2 years of full time study in just computer > programming is more than enough. This is the same for other trades > like electricians, plumbers, machinists, and the other vital skill > sets needed for society's infrastructure. We do not expect the > vital skill sets for these (electricians, plumbers, etc. etc.) > professionals to have 4 to 6 years degrees. IT makes no difference > to me if an electrician has read and studied G. Chaucer's > Canterbury Tal es or if a plumber understand the photosynthesis of > pine trees. Yet for some unknown reason companies think you must > have the lick and seal of a university degree to be a "good" > computer programmer. > > > > > Programmers are the new bricklayers (Score:4, Insightful) by > mystuff (1088543) on Tuesday June 30, 2015 @07:40AM (#50017663) > > Sure, but you can't ask a team of bricklayers to assemble a livable > house. In fact in this analogy it's so obvious that you also need > an architect, a plumber, etc, that there's no need to even mention > it. But when it comes to programmers and (corporate) management > it's a whole different story. They will get a team of 'bricklayers' > together and tell them to build the next Youtube - or a bit close > to home, the next corporate content distribution platform - and > then be utterly dumbfounded when that blows up in their face. > > _______________________________________________ Discuss mailing > list [email protected] > https://lists.lopsa.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss This list > provided by the League of Professional System Administrators > http://lopsa.org/ > > _______________________________________________ Discuss mailing > list [email protected] > https://lists.lopsa.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss This list > provided by the League of Professional System Administrators > http://lopsa.org/ > - -- I prefer to use encrypted mail. 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