The administration in that case is chasing people down who don't pay on time.
Nathan T. Wild On Jan 27, 2014 6:18 PM, "Aemilianus Kehler" <[email protected]> wrote: > How can you claim PADs is no administration when there is when it comes to > first setup, or removal.. During no change/ normal operations then ya no > administration is required... But those that decide to pay monthly, and pay > by paypal... What additional administration work is there? > > Cheers!! > > > On Jan 27, 2014, at 6:08 PM, Ron <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Nah, pads don't cause any administrative work. PAD people get charged no > > fee. Only people paying by cash/cheque get charged the "make more work > > for Ian and Courtney" fee. If you pay in bitcoins or American money, the > > fee quadrupals. > > > > Ron > > > >> On 2014-01-27 17:58, Roswyne wrote: > >> But it will require cancelling existing PADs and redoing them. Given our > >> past issues with the bank, I'm very leery. > >>> On Jan 27, 2014 5:53 PM, "Aemilianus Kehler" <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> > >>> Like that idea it's simple and it works.. > >>> > >>> Cheers!! > >>> > >>>>> On Jan 27, 2014, at 5:33 PM, Ron <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> On 2014-01-27 17:17, Brittany Postnikoff wrote: > >>>>> If we allow people to pay in advance and they decide to quit, what > then? > >>>> > >>>> We refund them. Always have. We find a way. :) > >>>> > >>>> Here's another suggestion: instead of giving people a discount for > >>>> paying in advance, why don't we charge people an administrative fee > >>>> whenever they pay us? If they pay us monthly, it's $45. If they pay > for > >>>> 6 months, it's (6*$40) + $5. etc. That more accurately reflects the > real > >>>> world. :) > >>>> > >>>> Ron > >>>> > >>>>> know the natural response to this idea is that we give them their > money > >>>>> back, but this is not always easily done as funds may be tied up > >>> elsewhere. > >>>>> SkullSpace is stable and will be able to survive on our current > earnings > >>>>> plan and we do have savings, but savings does not equate to money > that > >>> is > >>>>> easily dispensed. When considering plans it is important to note the > >>>>> extremes and whether we can ride through that easily. For example, 10 > >>>>> people pay a bunch of money up front for the year, two months later > we > >>> make > >>>>> an investment to the space such as a lazer engraver or what have you. > >>> Month > >>>>> three those people decide to quit and all of a sudden we have to > >>> dispense > >>>>> over four thousand dollars to people leaving. This is a possibility > we > >>> need > >>>>> to be aware of. > >>>>> > >>>>> The other point about making a piece of software to do automation is > >>> great. > >>>>> Considering we are a hackerspace this is a wonderful idea! The offer > to > >>>>> maybe turn this into a Ruby project is great as well. If someone > would > >>> be > >>>>> willing to step up and create an operations team for this, they would > >>> be my > >>>>> temporary SkullSpace hero. (Until next obstacle comes and someone > helps > >>> us > >>>>> clear it) I for one volunteer as a tribute to help get part of this > >>> done. > >>>>> > >>>>> I would really like to see us stay as a month to month organization > >>> because > >>>>> that would best display our expenses and incomes in a directly > parallel > >>>>> comparison. We are not a big corporate entity that is amortizing > things > >>>>> over years or other large periods, so I would like to say even in > "real > >>>>> world" scenarios, which SkullSpace definitely is, that this is likely > >>> not > >>>>> feasible due to the size, structure, and purpose of the SkullSpace > >>>>> community. > >>>>> > >>>>> --BP > >>>>> > >>>>>> On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 4:58 PM, Aemilianus Kehler < > [email protected]> > >>> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Ian... There will always be more costs to those that can't budget > >>> properly > >>>>>> and prepay in advance... You'll see this in every possible business > >>>>>> transaction.. Or how about we just go straight to run in a credit > >>> system > >>>>>> like most of the business world and offer a deal to those that day > >>> their > >>>>>> debt early... Perfect to get those in accounting the practice it as > it > >>>>>> would be in the "real" world... One thing I never understood in > >>> business.. > >>>>>> Borrow from us and repay with 2 weeks and you get a better deal than > >>> just > >>>>>> paying for it straight up... Uhh what? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Cheers!! > >>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On Jan 27, 2014, at 3:44 PM, Mark Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On 27/01/14 03:02 PM, Ian Trump wrote: > >>>>>>>> IMHO Monthly PAD is preferred - less overhead to worry about, > >>> tracking > >>>>>>>> anniversaries of renewal or issuing refunds. Were a Month to Month > >>>>>>>> organization. Discounts are a pain in the ass and punish those who > >>> don't > >>>>>>>> have sufficient means to up front $480.00 > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Even with banking fees, anyone we can get on PAD is ideal for > >>>>>> administrative reasons, but some people are always going to turn it > >>> down as > >>>>>> an option and pay irregularly. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> So how best to deal with them. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Getting people who aren't on PAD to pay in bigger chucks should > reduce > >>>>>> the admin overhead in dealing with them. It's not fair to > Skullspace to > >>>>>> have so much admin overhead, which technology can help with, but > can't > >>>>>> eliminate. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> But a 1/6 discount (10 out of 12 months example) [16%!] is going > too > >>>>>> steep, enough that it does feel like a kick in the teeth to > everybody > >>> else. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Should be big enough to incentive some people who are already > paying > >>>>>> irregularly every month to step up and do this (bi-monthly, > quarterly, > >>>>>> annual), but not so big that we got people dropping their monthly > PADs > >>> or > >>>>>> big enough that people who pay irregular feel it out-paces the admin > >>> burden > >>>>>> they create. Sweet spot might be closer to where those PAD bank fees > >>> are > >>>>>> at, like 2%... not 16%. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> And however done, shouldn't strike me as bylaw territory, should > be in > >>>>>> the board's purview. > >>>>>>> (Bylaw fix needed if the board doesn't have some discretion on > this... > >>>>>> not formally moving something...) > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>> SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > >>>>>>> Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss > >>>>>>> Archive: > https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ > >>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>> SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > >>>>>> Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss > >>>>>> Archive: > https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ > >>>> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > >>>>> Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss > >>>>> Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > >>>> Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss > >>>> Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > >>> Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss > >>> Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ > > > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > >> Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss > >> Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > > Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss > > Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ > _______________________________________________ > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss > Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ >
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