My work on an app to help with membership and finance tracking is basically on hold due to not having time. If you guys want to take a crack at it, I would be extremely happy. The workshop is a great idea.
I will be available to go over what Ian and I have come up with as far as requirements go. On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 5:17 PM, Brittany Postnikoff <[email protected]>wrote: > I think great points have been made for both sides of this discussion. > There are a couple more things I would like to bring up though. > > If we allow people to pay in advance and they decide to quit, what then? I > know the natural response to this idea is that we give them their money > back, but this is not always easily done as funds may be tied up elsewhere. > SkullSpace is stable and will be able to survive on our current earnings > plan and we do have savings, but savings does not equate to money that is > easily dispensed. When considering plans it is important to note the > extremes and whether we can ride through that easily. For example, 10 > people pay a bunch of money up front for the year, two months later we make > an investment to the space such as a lazer engraver or what have you. Month > three those people decide to quit and all of a sudden we have to dispense > over four thousand dollars to people leaving. This is a possibility we need > to be aware of. > > The other point about making a piece of software to do automation is > great. Considering we are a hackerspace this is a wonderful idea! The offer > to maybe turn this into a Ruby project is great as well. If someone would > be willing to step up and create an operations team for this, they would be > my temporary SkullSpace hero. (Until next obstacle comes and someone helps > us clear it) I for one volunteer as a tribute to help get part of this > done. > > I would really like to see us stay as a month to month organization > because that would best display our expenses and incomes in a directly > parallel comparison. We are not a big corporate entity that is amortizing > things over years or other large periods, so I would like to say even in > "real world" scenarios, which SkullSpace definitely is, that this is likely > not feasible due to the size, structure, and purpose of the SkullSpace > community. > > --BP > > On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 4:58 PM, Aemilianus Kehler <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Ian... There will always be more costs to those that can't budget >> properly and prepay in advance... You'll see this in every possible >> business transaction.. Or how about we just go straight to run in a credit >> system like most of the business world and offer a deal to those that day >> their debt early... Perfect to get those in accounting the practice it as >> it would be in the "real" world... One thing I never understood in >> business.. Borrow from us and repay with 2 weeks and you get a better deal >> than just paying for it straight up... Uhh what? >> >> Cheers!! >> >> > On Jan 27, 2014, at 3:44 PM, Mark Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> >> On 27/01/14 03:02 PM, Ian Trump wrote: >> >> IMHO Monthly PAD is preferred - less overhead to worry about, tracking >> >> anniversaries of renewal or issuing refunds. Were a Month to Month >> >> organization. Discounts are a pain in the ass and punish those who >> don't >> >> have sufficient means to up front $480.00 >> > >> > Even with banking fees, anyone we can get on PAD is ideal for >> administrative reasons, but some people are always going to turn it down as >> an option and pay irregularly. >> > >> > So how best to deal with them. >> > >> > Getting people who aren't on PAD to pay in bigger chucks should reduce >> the admin overhead in dealing with them. It's not fair to Skullspace to >> have so much admin overhead, which technology can help with, but can't >> eliminate. >> > >> > But a 1/6 discount (10 out of 12 months example) [16%!] is going too >> steep, enough that it does feel like a kick in the teeth to everybody else. >> > >> > Should be big enough to incentive some people who are already paying >> irregularly every month to step up and do this (bi-monthly, quarterly, >> annual), but not so big that we got people dropping their monthly PADs or >> big enough that people who pay irregular feel it out-paces the admin burden >> they create. Sweet spot might be closer to where those PAD bank fees are >> at, like 2%... not 16%. >> > >> > And however done, shouldn't strike me as bylaw territory, should be in >> the board's purview. >> > (Bylaw fix needed if the board doesn't have some discretion on this... >> not formally moving something...) >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List >> > Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss >> > Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ >> _______________________________________________ >> SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List >> Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss >> Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss > Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ >
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