I think Jay's one works except for 3 hours a week of class time. Masters and PHD students may be done their classes and still be students. I would just take the last line out.
On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 6:12 PM, Nathan Wild <[email protected]> wrote: > I like Jay's definition a lot ... and cast my straw down in favour of > erring on the side of leniency. I would rather have a few scoundrels > getting away with $20 a month than lose them entirely. > > A proper definition will make this issue much more clear in future... > > > On 7 May 2014 17:12, Jay Smith <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Regarding Ron's earlier comment, we had a few members coming to us >> stating that our arbitrary student definition is a concern. We don't >> get our kicks out of sparking discussions like this for the sake of >> it, believe me. We do however, want to make sure our bylaws are >> consistently enforced and understand why the members in question are >> concerned. >> >> Personally, I'd like to error on the side of being too lenient. >> Members can always pay more if they want to. Here's my shot at it >> (inspired in part by the financial aid office's definition): >> Any full or part-time student at an accredited secondary or >> post-secondary institution that leads to a certificate, diploma, or >> degree. Part time studies should at least involve 3 hours a week of >> class time. >> >> On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 5:00 PM, Ace Tunes <[email protected]> wrote: >> > If you add the age limit you exclude a number of students, who will >> likely >> > have even more expenses than the younger students. I think that is a bad >> > idea. I also think that this should be more community oriented instead >> of >> > business oriented, I personally get discouraged when I have to jump >> through >> > a series of hoops to get discounts and things. Coming in as a new >> member, >> > knowing no one within the group I personally would have just said "screw >> > it", not interested in joining. And thank you for putting this on >> discuss. >> > >> > On 7 May 2014 16:50, "chris kluka" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> I suggest we adopt this definition of student (replace "United States" >> >> with "Canada") >> >> >> >> http://definitions.uslegal.com/s/student/ >> >> >> >> >> >> Student is defined as “an individual under 23 years of age who has not >> >> completed 4 years of education beyond the high school level and who is >> >> regularly pursuing a full-time course of study or training at an >> institution >> >> which is-- >> >> >> >> (A) a school or college or university operated or directly supported by >> >> Canada, or by a Provincial or local government or political subdivision >> >> thereof; >> >> >> >> (B) a school or college or university which has been accredited by a >> >> Province or by a Province-recognized or nationally recognized >> accrediting >> >> agency or body; >> >> >> >> (C) a school or college or university not so accredited but whose >> credits >> >> are accepted, on transfer, by at least three institutions which are so >> >> accredited, for credit on the same basis as if transferred from an >> >> institution so accredited; or >> >> >> >> (D) an additional type of educational or training institution as >> defined >> >> by the Secretary of Labor. >> >> >> >> Such an individual is deemed not to have ceased to be a student during >> an >> >> interim between school years if the interim is not more than 4 months >> and if >> >> he shows to the satisfaction of the Secretary that he has a bona fide >> >> intention of continuing to pursue a full-time course of study or >> training >> >> during the semester or other enrolment period immediately after the >> interim >> >> or during periods of reasonable duration during which, in the >> judgement of >> >> the Secretary, he is prevented by factors beyond his control from >> pursuing >> >> his education. A student whose 23rd birthday occurs during a semester >> or >> >> other enrolment period is deemed a student until the end of the >> semester or >> >> other enrolment period.” >> >> >> >> >> >> I would add that: >> >> >> >> A minimum of 40% course load for university or college students, or 60% >> >> course load for high school students is also required to be classified >> as a >> >> student. >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 4:41 PM, Zewwy <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> So part time yes.. But certificates no... So what it takes.. Two cert >> >>> courses count? Or part time students without a job? This is messed! >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> Sent from Samsung Mobile >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> -------- Original message -------- >> >>> From: Courtney Lofchick >> >>> Date:05-07-2014 4:32 PM (GMT-06:00) >> >>> To: "Discuss, SkullSpace" >> >>> Subject: Re: [SkullSpace-Discuss] student member policy update >> >>> >> >>> We will, just wanted to put it on discuss first so people who don't >> >>> attend meetings can have some input too. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 4:30 PM, Brittany Postnikoff >> >>> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> This is great material to have in a meeting, bring it up there >> please! >> >>>> >> >>>> --BP >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 4:19 PM, Courtney Lofchick >> >>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>>>> The board is having trouble coming up with a proper definition, >> that's >> >>>>> why we're asking for help. >> >>>>> We have had a few members apply as students who are getting >> >>>>> certificates from corporations (Cisco, Microsoft) The board does not >> >>>>> consider those people to be students. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 4:14 PM, Ron Bowes <[email protected]> >> >>>>> wrote: >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> It seems oddly difficult to define it properly. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Is there some reason we're attempting to, or does this fall into >> the >> >>>>>> "fixing what's not broken" category? >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> On 7 May 2014 13:53, "Courtney Lofchick" <[email protected]> >> >>>>>> wrote: >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> We don't want to say full time student because some of our members >> >>>>>>> are part time students and we don't want to exclude future part >> time >> >>>>>>> students either. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 3:52 PM, Nathan Wild < >> [email protected]> >> >>>>>>> wrote: >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> We agreed ages ago to accept members 16 or over. This change >> would >> >>>>>>>> exclude them. >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> That being said, I think as long as it is worded in such a way >> as to >> >>>>>>>> define student as "full time student", in fine with it. >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> I think the intention of adding the student rate was that full >> time >> >>>>>>>> students tend to not have incomes, but benefit greatly from >> membership in >> >>>>>>>> the community. >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Nathan T. Wild >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> On May 7, 2014 3:35 PM, "Courtney Lofchick" < >> [email protected]> >> >>>>>>>> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> Hi everyone, >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> The board has been discussing the idea of updating our student >> >>>>>>>>> policy so that it is more specific about who qualifies. Please >> let me know >> >>>>>>>>> what you guys think. This shouldn't change the status of any >> current >> >>>>>>>>> students but if it does, please let me know. We don't want to >> lose any >> >>>>>>>>> members due to the changes. >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> Student Member Policy: >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> In order to qualify for student membership you must be a >> student at >> >>>>>>>>> an accredited post secondary institution, including but not >> limited to: the >> >>>>>>>>> University of Manitoba, the University of Winnipeg, and Red >> River College. >> >>>>>>>>> Taking a certification course (for example Cisco, Microsoft) >> does not >> >>>>>>>>> qualify you for student membership. >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> If you feel your specific situation warrants student membership >> >>>>>>>>> please bring it up with the board. 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