It works for me. My other suggestion would be, "You're a student if you consider yourself a student. Don't be an asshole." If there are people in the group that take advantage of that, they should consider whether or not they belong in a group like sksp.
On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 5:13 PM, Ace Tunes <[email protected]> wrote: > This sounds good to me. This is definitely falls into the community > approach I was referring to. > On 7 May 2014 18:35, "Courtney Lofchick" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I think Jay's one works except for 3 hours a week of class time. Masters >> and PHD students may be done their classes and still be students. I would >> just take the last line out. >> >> >> On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 6:12 PM, Nathan Wild <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> I like Jay's definition a lot ... and cast my straw down in favour of >>> erring on the side of leniency. I would rather have a few scoundrels >>> getting away with $20 a month than lose them entirely. >>> >>> A proper definition will make this issue much more clear in future... >>> >>> >>> On 7 May 2014 17:12, Jay Smith <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Regarding Ron's earlier comment, we had a few members coming to us >>>> stating that our arbitrary student definition is a concern. We don't >>>> get our kicks out of sparking discussions like this for the sake of >>>> it, believe me. We do however, want to make sure our bylaws are >>>> consistently enforced and understand why the members in question are >>>> concerned. >>>> >>>> Personally, I'd like to error on the side of being too lenient. >>>> Members can always pay more if they want to. Here's my shot at it >>>> (inspired in part by the financial aid office's definition): >>>> Any full or part-time student at an accredited secondary or >>>> post-secondary institution that leads to a certificate, diploma, or >>>> degree. Part time studies should at least involve 3 hours a week of >>>> class time. >>>> >>>> On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 5:00 PM, Ace Tunes <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> > If you add the age limit you exclude a number of students, who will >>>> likely >>>> > have even more expenses than the younger students. I think that is a >>>> bad >>>> > idea. I also think that this should be more community oriented >>>> instead of >>>> > business oriented, I personally get discouraged when I have to jump >>>> through >>>> > a series of hoops to get discounts and things. Coming in as a new >>>> member, >>>> > knowing no one within the group I personally would have just said >>>> "screw >>>> > it", not interested in joining. And thank you for putting this on >>>> discuss. >>>> > >>>> > On 7 May 2014 16:50, "chris kluka" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >> >>>> >> I suggest we adopt this definition of student (replace "United >>>> States" >>>> >> with "Canada") >>>> >> >>>> >> http://definitions.uslegal.com/s/student/ >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> Student is defined as “an individual under 23 years of age who has >>>> not >>>> >> completed 4 years of education beyond the high school level and who >>>> is >>>> >> regularly pursuing a full-time course of study or training at an >>>> institution >>>> >> which is-- >>>> >> >>>> >> (A) a school or college or university operated or directly supported >>>> by >>>> >> Canada, or by a Provincial or local government or political >>>> subdivision >>>> >> thereof; >>>> >> >>>> >> (B) a school or college or university which has been accredited by a >>>> >> Province or by a Province-recognized or nationally recognized >>>> accrediting >>>> >> agency or body; >>>> >> >>>> >> (C) a school or college or university not so accredited but whose >>>> credits >>>> >> are accepted, on transfer, by at least three institutions which are >>>> so >>>> >> accredited, for credit on the same basis as if transferred from an >>>> >> institution so accredited; or >>>> >> >>>> >> (D) an additional type of educational or training institution as >>>> defined >>>> >> by the Secretary of Labor. >>>> >> >>>> >> Such an individual is deemed not to have ceased to be a student >>>> during an >>>> >> interim between school years if the interim is not more than 4 >>>> months and if >>>> >> he shows to the satisfaction of the Secretary that he has a bona fide >>>> >> intention of continuing to pursue a full-time course of study or >>>> training >>>> >> during the semester or other enrolment period immediately after the >>>> interim >>>> >> or during periods of reasonable duration during which, in the >>>> judgement of >>>> >> the Secretary, he is prevented by factors beyond his control from >>>> pursuing >>>> >> his education. A student whose 23rd birthday occurs during a >>>> semester or >>>> >> other enrolment period is deemed a student until the end of the >>>> semester or >>>> >> other enrolment period.” >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> I would add that: >>>> >> >>>> >> A minimum of 40% course load for university or college students, or >>>> 60% >>>> >> course load for high school students is also required to be >>>> classified as a >>>> >> student. >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 4:41 PM, Zewwy <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>> >>>> >>> So part time yes.. But certificates no... So what it takes.. Two >>>> cert >>>> >>> courses count? Or part time students without a job? This is messed! >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Sent from Samsung Mobile >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> -------- Original message -------- >>>> >>> From: Courtney Lofchick >>>> >>> Date:05-07-2014 4:32 PM (GMT-06:00) >>>> >>> To: "Discuss, SkullSpace" >>>> >>> Subject: Re: [SkullSpace-Discuss] student member policy update >>>> >>> >>>> >>> We will, just wanted to put it on discuss first so people who don't >>>> >>> attend meetings can have some input too. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 4:30 PM, Brittany Postnikoff >>>> >>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> This is great material to have in a meeting, bring it up there >>>> please! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> --BP >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 4:19 PM, Courtney Lofchick >>>> >>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> The board is having trouble coming up with a proper definition, >>>> that's >>>> >>>>> why we're asking for help. >>>> >>>>> We have had a few members apply as students who are getting >>>> >>>>> certificates from corporations (Cisco, Microsoft) The board does >>>> not >>>> >>>>> consider those people to be students. >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 4:14 PM, Ron Bowes <[email protected]> >>>> >>>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> It seems oddly difficult to define it properly. >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> Is there some reason we're attempting to, or does this fall into >>>> the >>>> >>>>>> "fixing what's not broken" category? >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> On 7 May 2014 13:53, "Courtney Lofchick" <[email protected]> >>>> >>>>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>> We don't want to say full time student because some of our >>>> members >>>> >>>>>>> are part time students and we don't want to exclude future part >>>> time >>>> >>>>>>> students either. >>>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 3:52 PM, Nathan Wild < >>>> [email protected]> >>>> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> We agreed ages ago to accept members 16 or over. This change >>>> would >>>> >>>>>>>> exclude them. >>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> That being said, I think as long as it is worded in such a way >>>> as to >>>> >>>>>>>> define student as "full time student", in fine with it. >>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> I think the intention of adding the student rate was that full >>>> time >>>> >>>>>>>> students tend to not have incomes, but benefit greatly from >>>> membership in >>>> >>>>>>>> the community. >>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> Nathan T. Wild >>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> On May 7, 2014 3:35 PM, "Courtney Lofchick" < >>>> [email protected]> >>>> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi everyone, >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> The board has been discussing the idea of updating our student >>>> >>>>>>>>> policy so that it is more specific about who qualifies. >>>> Please let me know >>>> >>>>>>>>> what you guys think. This shouldn't change the status of any >>>> current >>>> >>>>>>>>> students but if it does, please let me know. We don't want to >>>> lose any >>>> >>>>>>>>> members due to the changes. >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Student Member Policy: >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> In order to qualify for student membership you must be a >>>> student at >>>> >>>>>>>>> an accredited post secondary institution, including but not >>>> limited to: the >>>> >>>>>>>>> University of Manitoba, the University of Winnipeg, and Red >>>> River College. >>>> >>>>>>>>> Taking a certification course (for example Cisco, Microsoft) >>>> does not >>>> >>>>>>>>> qualify you for student membership. >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> If you feel your specific situation warrants student >>>> membership >>>> >>>>>>>>> please bring it up with the board. 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