This sounds good to me. This is definitely falls into the community approach I was referring to. On 7 May 2014 18:35, "Courtney Lofchick" <[email protected]> wrote:
> I think Jay's one works except for 3 hours a week of class time. Masters > and PHD students may be done their classes and still be students. I would > just take the last line out. > > > On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 6:12 PM, Nathan Wild <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I like Jay's definition a lot ... and cast my straw down in favour of >> erring on the side of leniency. I would rather have a few scoundrels >> getting away with $20 a month than lose them entirely. >> >> A proper definition will make this issue much more clear in future... >> >> >> On 7 May 2014 17:12, Jay Smith <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Regarding Ron's earlier comment, we had a few members coming to us >>> stating that our arbitrary student definition is a concern. We don't >>> get our kicks out of sparking discussions like this for the sake of >>> it, believe me. We do however, want to make sure our bylaws are >>> consistently enforced and understand why the members in question are >>> concerned. >>> >>> Personally, I'd like to error on the side of being too lenient. >>> Members can always pay more if they want to. Here's my shot at it >>> (inspired in part by the financial aid office's definition): >>> Any full or part-time student at an accredited secondary or >>> post-secondary institution that leads to a certificate, diploma, or >>> degree. Part time studies should at least involve 3 hours a week of >>> class time. >>> >>> On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 5:00 PM, Ace Tunes <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > If you add the age limit you exclude a number of students, who will >>> likely >>> > have even more expenses than the younger students. I think that is a >>> bad >>> > idea. I also think that this should be more community oriented instead >>> of >>> > business oriented, I personally get discouraged when I have to jump >>> through >>> > a series of hoops to get discounts and things. Coming in as a new >>> member, >>> > knowing no one within the group I personally would have just said >>> "screw >>> > it", not interested in joining. And thank you for putting this on >>> discuss. >>> > >>> > On 7 May 2014 16:50, "chris kluka" <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >> >>> >> I suggest we adopt this definition of student (replace "United States" >>> >> with "Canada") >>> >> >>> >> http://definitions.uslegal.com/s/student/ >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> Student is defined as “an individual under 23 years of age who has not >>> >> completed 4 years of education beyond the high school level and who is >>> >> regularly pursuing a full-time course of study or training at an >>> institution >>> >> which is-- >>> >> >>> >> (A) a school or college or university operated or directly supported >>> by >>> >> Canada, or by a Provincial or local government or political >>> subdivision >>> >> thereof; >>> >> >>> >> (B) a school or college or university which has been accredited by a >>> >> Province or by a Province-recognized or nationally recognized >>> accrediting >>> >> agency or body; >>> >> >>> >> (C) a school or college or university not so accredited but whose >>> credits >>> >> are accepted, on transfer, by at least three institutions which are so >>> >> accredited, for credit on the same basis as if transferred from an >>> >> institution so accredited; or >>> >> >>> >> (D) an additional type of educational or training institution as >>> defined >>> >> by the Secretary of Labor. >>> >> >>> >> Such an individual is deemed not to have ceased to be a student >>> during an >>> >> interim between school years if the interim is not more than 4 months >>> and if >>> >> he shows to the satisfaction of the Secretary that he has a bona fide >>> >> intention of continuing to pursue a full-time course of study or >>> training >>> >> during the semester or other enrolment period immediately after the >>> interim >>> >> or during periods of reasonable duration during which, in the >>> judgement of >>> >> the Secretary, he is prevented by factors beyond his control from >>> pursuing >>> >> his education. A student whose 23rd birthday occurs during a semester >>> or >>> >> other enrolment period is deemed a student until the end of the >>> semester or >>> >> other enrolment period.” >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> I would add that: >>> >> >>> >> A minimum of 40% course load for university or college students, or >>> 60% >>> >> course load for high school students is also required to be >>> classified as a >>> >> student. >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 4:41 PM, Zewwy <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> So part time yes.. But certificates no... So what it takes.. Two cert >>> >>> courses count? Or part time students without a job? This is messed! >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent from Samsung Mobile >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -------- Original message -------- >>> >>> From: Courtney Lofchick >>> >>> Date:05-07-2014 4:32 PM (GMT-06:00) >>> >>> To: "Discuss, SkullSpace" >>> >>> Subject: Re: [SkullSpace-Discuss] student member policy update >>> >>> >>> >>> We will, just wanted to put it on discuss first so people who don't >>> >>> attend meetings can have some input too. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 4:30 PM, Brittany Postnikoff >>> >>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> >>> >>>> This is great material to have in a meeting, bring it up there >>> please! >>> >>>> >>> >>>> --BP >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 4:19 PM, Courtney Lofchick >>> >>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> The board is having trouble coming up with a proper definition, >>> that's >>> >>>>> why we're asking for help. >>> >>>>> We have had a few members apply as students who are getting >>> >>>>> certificates from corporations (Cisco, Microsoft) The board does >>> not >>> >>>>> consider those people to be students. >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 4:14 PM, Ron Bowes <[email protected]> >>> >>>>> wrote: >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> It seems oddly difficult to define it properly. >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> Is there some reason we're attempting to, or does this fall into >>> the >>> >>>>>> "fixing what's not broken" category? >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> On 7 May 2014 13:53, "Courtney Lofchick" <[email protected]> >>> >>>>>> wrote: >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> We don't want to say full time student because some of our >>> members >>> >>>>>>> are part time students and we don't want to exclude future part >>> time >>> >>>>>>> students either. >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 3:52 PM, Nathan Wild < >>> [email protected]> >>> >>>>>>> wrote: >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> We agreed ages ago to accept members 16 or over. This change >>> would >>> >>>>>>>> exclude them. >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> That being said, I think as long as it is worded in such a way >>> as to >>> >>>>>>>> define student as "full time student", in fine with it. >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> I think the intention of adding the student rate was that full >>> time >>> >>>>>>>> students tend to not have incomes, but benefit greatly from >>> membership in >>> >>>>>>>> the community. >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> Nathan T. Wild >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> On May 7, 2014 3:35 PM, "Courtney Lofchick" < >>> [email protected]> >>> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> Hi everyone, >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> The board has been discussing the idea of updating our student >>> >>>>>>>>> policy so that it is more specific about who qualifies. Please >>> let me know >>> >>>>>>>>> what you guys think. This shouldn't change the status of any >>> current >>> >>>>>>>>> students but if it does, please let me know. We don't want to >>> lose any >>> >>>>>>>>> members due to the changes. >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> Student Member Policy: >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> In order to qualify for student membership you must be a >>> student at >>> >>>>>>>>> an accredited post secondary institution, including but not >>> limited to: the >>> >>>>>>>>> University of Manitoba, the University of Winnipeg, and Red >>> River College. >>> >>>>>>>>> Taking a certification course (for example Cisco, Microsoft) >>> does not >>> >>>>>>>>> qualify you for student membership. >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> If you feel your specific situation warrants student membership >>> >>>>>>>>> please bring it up with the board. 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