Jack Coates;168371 Wrote: > On 1/8/07, MrSinatra > <MrSinatra.2k43hz1168293601 (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.slimdevices.com> > wrote: > > > > hi Jim, > > > > as you can see, SD forums are basically two camps, cheerleaders and > > cranks. > > > > I'd actually rename those camps to those who bought what they want and > those who want something else but bought a Squeezebox anyway :)
allow me to be more precise... how about 'those who are happy with it doing whatever the hell it wants to do,' and 'those who are unhappy it doesn't do what its advertised to do?' Jack Coates;168371 Wrote: > > i'm a crank. > > > > i guess my problem is that i know exactly what i want, and no one > makes > > it. > > > > i have a SB2, and like most people, i think the web UI stinks. > sorry, > > but thats my opinion cheerleaders, and i'm entitled to it. > > Aaargh!!! To the barricades me hearties, defeat this infidel!!!! Oh > wait, I actually don't care at all. Sorry for the confusion. > > I don't think you can say "most people" without something to back it > up. Here's a stab at a poll: > http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31443 -- I'd say that > every vote for Option 2 or Option 4 is a vote you can count against > the stock interfaces :) thats ridiculous. just because someone uses the stock interface, and doesn't seek out an alternative, does not, in ANY way constitute APPROVAL of it. you have engaged in whats known as a logical fallacy. your poll does not in any way guage if users LIKE what they use. it merely ASKS what they use. it doesn't ask if people like the option they use, or if they like ANY of the options they use. and your population here is skewed towards the SD enthusiats as well. try again. Jack Coates;168371 Wrote: > > > my other > > concerns are that the SS software is very buggy, that the display is > > only on the device, not the remote, (a big problem for me and many > > others i'm sure) and that only SS software powers the device; it > can't > > be used as an external soundcard, (and therefore you can't "winamp > it" > > or itunes or dvd, or whatever...) > > > > Four issues conflated into one sentence... not conflated, listed. am i not to list them for fear you will conflate them? Jack Coates;168371 Wrote: > 1) Slimserver is buggy, yes, and I'd personally like to see either > more rapid releases, or a move to the "perpetual beta" idea of these > Web 2.0 companies. Dump the release idea altogether and just put a > link to the latest nightly up on the download page. how does going from buggy releases to buggy betas solve anything? how about putting out a release that is bug free, and adding features slowly over time so they are also bug free? Jack Coates;168371 Wrote: > 2) Display on the remote is requested from time to time. Does nothing > for me, but you go right ahead. thx jack, i will. and it seems logitech and many others think its a good idea, imagine that! Jack Coates;168371 Wrote: > 3) Having alternate servers would be mildly interesting, except that > it would require switching from SS or SN to whatever, and back. i'm happy to have mildly interested you. i wasn't really suggeting that tho, i was suggesting a mini SS that acted as a dsp plugin for WMP, so winamp could handle all the thing SS does so poorly. Jack Coates;168371 Wrote: > 4) A VLW (very long wire) mode has the same problem, plus a > requirement to disable the buffer (which means that wireless users > will have even more problems than they do now). At the end of the day, > either of these issues end up with a device that does exactly what far > cheaper alternatives do (Airport Express for instance). Not saying > that's a bad thing to add-on, just that I have no need for it. well, i have a need for it, and i think many other people could use it that way to wokaround their SS problems. it also adds the extra ability of acting as the audio interface to your stereo for DVDs, both video and audio. Jack Coates;168371 Wrote: > > > it [ss] also in recent versions has developed a weakness in > streaming > > internet stations b/c now the hardware does it alone. i like that > > paradigm, but the hardware needs to be as robust as software > streaming > > solutions, (like winamp). some ISPs are flaky, SD products must > > recognize that. if winamp can do it, SD hardware better be able to > do > > it too. > > I don't use enough Internet radio to comment, though I do think it's > kind of specious to use Winamp running on a full computer as your > standard to judge the SB by. well, that might be the case, IF SD didn't advertise the product as being capable of such actions on their website. i don't think anyone buying it gets a "warning" from the SD website that this solution is NOT to be as robust as just about ANY other one you have used, (winamp just being an example of one). the working standard is out there and established. if SD says it can do the function, it should meet the standard. Jack Coates;168371 Wrote: > > > > > some of this has been gone over before, please see these links: > > > > http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28821 > > > > (interestingly, its the cheerleaders who are the most paranoid about > > logitech, whereas i'm not at all) > > huh? I must have missed the score card, and the team rosters too :) > I'm pretty happy with the Squeezebox/Slimserver system as it stands, > but I'm in favor of the Logitech acquisition, but I like to mock the > people who scream that the sky is falling because their favorite > feature isn't present, so which team am I on? hmm, when i wrote that, i don't think i specified anyone... i think its clear i was speaking in generalities. i don't know or care which side you're on, but you're right that the pom pom crew is now split... some are so pom pomish they have gone with the acquisition hook line and sinker, while the other pom pomers (the x file crew) are aghast at what this might mean for their open source religious philosophy. the cranks meanwhile, (like me) seem to think that maybe logitech will help. a small few imo, think nothing will help. look, i want a good product, and i think its valid to say what i said without you parsing it to death. i'm glad u like SS more than not... but i want to see some improvements, both to UI and to bugginess and robustness, and thats valid whether you like it or not. -- MrSinatra www.LION-Radio.org Using: Squeezebox2 w/SS 6.5.1 (beta!?) - Win XP Pro SP2 - 3.2ghz / 2gig ram ------------------------------------------------------------------------ MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31324 _______________________________________________ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
