Okay! I'm oldschool. BART didn't used to go that far south in the East Bay. They've extended the tracks around the bay area, and I haven't really checked out all the new routes, even though they've been around a few years now already.
Thanks Cara for that. Yes, that does make it alot easier. Janet ---------------------------------------- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Discussion about a tour of the Apple facility in Cupertino > Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 14:34:49 -0700 > > Actually getting to CalTrain from bart is way easier than that. > Simply take bart all the way to Millbray and then switch over to > CalTrain directly from there. It saves a whole other step. > > Smiles, > > Cara :) > > > On Jul 23, 2008, at 11:33 AM, Janet and Felix * wrote: > >> >> How to get to Cupertino: OFF TOPIC, so you can stop and delete this >> message here if you're not interested. *smile* janet. >> >> Well, you would fly into San Jose International Airport, if that's >> possible. That's the nearest airport to Cupertino. If not, there >> is also Oakland International and San Francisco International. >> >>> From San Jose International, you would get a shuttle bus right to >>> Cal Train, and Cal Train heading north, toward San Francisco, stops >>> in Cupertino along the way. From there, not sure. Have to check. >>> Most likely any cab driver knows where the Apple Facility is, I >>> would think. >> >>> From Oakland International, there are shuttles to BART, and BART >>> goes to San Francisco, to the Embarcadero Station, where you can >>> get Muni Metro, either N-Judah or T-Third, to Cal Train, heading >>> south, and stops in Cupertino. >> >>> From San Francisco International, same thing. BART goes right to >>> the airport there. Get off at the Embarcadero station, take Muni N- >>> Judah or T-Third to Cal Train. >> >> You can board the Muni right inside the Embarcadero BART station. >> There's a booth right when you exit BART, with a person inside to >> ask. Tell them you want the MUNI to the Cal Train Station, and >> they can tell you how to board it. >> >> It's all still underground at that point. You're still inside the >> station. It's just that Muni runs one level up from BART, on >> different tracks. And then surfaces to the city streets before the >> next stop, heading the direction toward Cal Train, anyway. The >> other direction, it stays underground for quite a few stations >> before surfacing to city streets. The Cal Train stop is the end of >> the line for N-Judah and it's the 4th & King stop for the T-Third. >> Same stop for both Metro trains. >> >> janet >> >> ---------------------------------------- >>> Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 07:31:35 -0800 >>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> Subject: Re: IPhone accessibility: was: Re: iTunes strange happening >>> To: [email protected] >>> >>> i dont know that area at all;) but will do this >>> On Jul 23, 2008, at 7:25 AM, UCLA Bruins Fan wrote: >>> >>>> It would be a great opportunity. I am up for giving it a try if >>>> people really think we can make it work. I have to be in the bay >>>> area (San Francisco) from october 16/20 for something else, but >>>> would certainly be willing to go at another time as well if we can >>>> pull this off, figure out housing logistics, etc. >>>> If there is anything I can do to help let me know. >>>> I don't know the bay area all that well, but know people who do. >>>> Not sure how close to Cupertino they live, but can find out. >>>> Olivia >>>> >>>> On Jul 23, 2008, at 7:09 AM, David Poehlman wrote: >>>> >>>>> it would be cool if the group could sit down with the accessibility >>>>> team. >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Krister Ekstrom" >>>>> To: "General discussions on all topics relating to the use of Mac >>>>> OS Xby >>>>> theblind" >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 6:41 AM >>>>> Subject: Re: IPhone accessibility: was: Re: iTunes strange >>>>> happening >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Another idea might be that some very knowledgeable people who >>>>> really >>>>> know their VO and possibly other products would demonstrate what >>>>> blind >>>>> people actually could do with a Mac and ask for some sort of >>>>> cooperation to help solve the problems that are there. Does it make >>>>> sence? >>>>> >>>>> /Krister >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 23 jul 2008 kl. 00.08 skrev David Poehlman: >>>>> >>>>>> apple might actually be willing to host. >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: "Janet and Felix *" >>>>>> To: "General discussions on all topics relating to the use of >>>>>> Mac OS >>>>>> X by >>>>>> theblind" >>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 5:27 PM >>>>>> Subject: RE: IPhone accessibility: was: Re: iTunes strange >>>>>> happening >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I live in a dinky little apartment! But something could be >>>>>> arranged >>>>>> somehow! >>>>>> >>>>>> I did a map directions search from our place to the facility. It >>>>>> is >>>>>> just >>>>>> over 71 miles, and 1 hour 25 minutes travel time driving, one way. >>>>>> Because >>>>>> of driving through the city. >>>>>> >>>>>> So I'm not sure we're the most convenient of locations. We do >>>>>> have >>>>>> friends >>>>>> who live closer to Cupertino who might be willing to allow us to >>>>>> use >>>>>> their >>>>>> house as a base. We'd have to do some checking. >>>>>> >>>>>> janet >>>>>> >>>>>> ---------------------------------------- >>>>>>> Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 13:01:58 -0800 >>>>>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>>> Subject: Re: IPhone accessibility: was: Re: iTunes strange >>>>>>> happening >>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>> >>>>>>> and can we use your house as a base? >>>>>>> On Jul 22, 2008, at 12:58 PM, Janet and Felix * wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Felix says, arrange a tour of the facility. For a bunch of >>>>>>>> blind >>>>>>>> people. And then ask if (we) can sit down and talk to the >>>>>>>> research/ >>>>>>>> development team leader to discuss ideas for better >>>>>>>> accessibility. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> We live about 70 miles north of Cupertino. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Just brainstorming. >>>>>>>> janet >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------- >>>>>>>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: IPhone accessibility: was: Re: iTunes strange >>>>>>>>> happening >>>>>>>>> Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 15:33:14 -0400 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Sure. Cupertino, here I come. LOL. :) I have to go up to the >>>>>>>>> bay >>>>>>>>> area >>>>>>>>> in October, so how about it? :) >>>>>>>>> I wish there was a way we could all camp out, but somehow I >>>>>>>>> doubt >>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>> would be effective. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Jul 22, 2008, at 1:37 PM, Mike's Western Account wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> hey lets camp out side apple's hq untel something's done more >>>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>> there media devises, lol >>>>>>>>>> On Jul 22, 2008, at 9:32 AM, Chris Gilland wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL! >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Chris. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike's Western >>>>>>>>>>> Account">>> >>>>>>>>>>> To: "General discussions on all topics relating to the use of >>>>>>>>>>> Mac >>>>>>>>>>> OS X by theblind" >>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 1:00 PM >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: IPhone accessibility: was: Re: iTunes strange >>>>>>>>>>> happening >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> i think that we just need to go to apple and make things get >>>>>>>>>>>> done;) lol >>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 22, 2008, at 8:58 AM, Chris Gilland wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> speaking of IPods, why can't they put some form of speech >>>>>>>>>>>>> like >>>>>>>>>>>>> voiceover into IPods. I mean come on, if it could be done >>>>>>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>>>>> Rockbox, then, surely Apple could do it with their own >>>>>>>>>>>>> product. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Why should it be our! burden. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Chris. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Poehlman">>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "General discussions on all topics relating to the >>>>>>>>>>>>> use of >>>>>>>>>>>>> Mac >>>>>>>>>>>>> OS Xby theblind" >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 12:37 PM >>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: IPhone accessibility: was: Re: iTunes strange >>>>>>>>>>>>> happening >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi CB, there are two ways this could be done. Apple could >>>>>>>>>>>>>> engineer an ui >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and back it with vo or a 3rd party could develop an app >>>>>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>>>>> talks. there >>>>>>>>>>>>>> is a hardware device for the IPod called ITel I think that >>>>>>>>>>>>>> achieves at least >>>>>>>>>>>>>> part of this for the IPod. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Blouch" >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "General discussions on all topics relating to the use >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mac OS X by >>>>>>>>>>>>>> theblind" >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 12:33 PM >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: iTunes strange happening >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> So out of curiosity, how would you make an iPhone >>>>>>>>>>>>>> accessible? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Obviously >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it needs a speech engine, but how do you interact? There >>>>>>>>>>>>>> is no >>>>>>>>>>>>>> tactile >>>>>>>>>>>>>> UI. I think it's a lot like a touch screen kiosk and some >>>>>>>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>>>>>> simple >>>>>>>>>>>>>> instructions saying to touch the top left for yes or top >>>>>>>>>>>>>> right >>>>>>>>>>>>>> for no. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> That kind of interaction model doesn't scale very well for >>>>>>>>>>>>>> complex >>>>>>>>>>>>>> interaction like typing an email . Not making excuses for >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple >>>>>>>>>>>>>> but this >>>>>>>>>>>>>> seems like a tough nut to crack. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> CB >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Krister Ekstrom wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 22 jul 2008 kl. 05.10 skrev UCLA Bruins Fan: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I did bring this to an apple agents attention when I was >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> calling >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about another issue and was told that apple would "look >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> into >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it" This >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was in June, and appparently nothing has been resolved >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But seriously, what do you expect with all this Iphone >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> business going >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on? I'm sorry to sound like i do, but it has always been >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that snassy flashy looks has been prioritized over >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> functionality and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> accessibility. To be frank, i'm surprised that we have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> such a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> well >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> functioning screen reader as we have. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With all this said, i agree that the dialog in question >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> usable, i just wonder what the best way to get there >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is. If >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> angry and demanding, we will only be regarded as whiners >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> complainers and if we ask politely, not much seems to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> happen. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /Krister >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _________________________________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Keep your kids safer online with Windows Live Family Safety. >>>>>>>> http://www.windowslive.com/family_safety/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_family_safety_072008 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _________________________________________________________________ >>>>>> Time for vacation? 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