Cal Train does go all the way to San Francisco. We've got on it at the King & 4th Street station, the terminal for Cal Train. The south end terminal is in Gilroy, south of San Jose. Never been that far down though. We only rode it as far as Redwood City and back to San Francisco. Fun train. upstairs and downstairs seating.
Yes, oh yes, I definately agree, that is faster. Don't bother with the Embarcadero station and Muni. Just go to the Millbrae Station just south of the SF airport. And catch Cal Train there. I've never done that one before. Gotta add that one to my experiences sometime soon. Okay! Janet ---------------------------------------- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Discussion about a tour of the Apple facility in Cupertino > Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 18:48:43 -0700 > > NP Janet! :) You'll still need to take bart into SF, from the > east bay, but this just allows you to avoid Muni so it's less mucking > about and should be just as timely?… > > Anyway, the Millbray station is as far north as CalTrain goes, I > believe. > > Yeah; -it's been a couple of years since I've lived up there, but > I'm pretty sure that's still the easiest way. :) > > I also may be up there in the next few months for work / visiting > and such, so I'd be up for this as well, as long as it doesn't turn > into a bitch session. (excuse my language lol! -but just callin' it > like I see it!) :) > > Have an awesome evening!… > > Smiles, > > Cara :) > > > On Jul 23, 2008, at 6:12 PM, Janet and Felix * wrote: > >> >> Okay! I'm oldschool. BART didn't used to go that far south in the >> East Bay. They've extended the tracks around the bay area, and I >> haven't really checked out all the new routes, even though they've >> been around a few years now already. >> >> Thanks Cara for that. Yes, that does make it alot easier. >> >> Janet >> >> ---------------------------------------- >>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: Discussion about a tour of the Apple facility in >>> Cupertino >>> Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 14:34:49 -0700 >>> >>> Actually getting to CalTrain from bart is way easier than that. >>> Simply take bart all the way to Millbray and then switch over to >>> CalTrain directly from there. It saves a whole other step. >>> >>> Smiles, >>> >>> Cara :) >>> >>> >>> On Jul 23, 2008, at 11:33 AM, Janet and Felix * wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> How to get to Cupertino: OFF TOPIC, so you can stop and delete this >>>> message here if you're not interested. *smile* janet. >>>> >>>> Well, you would fly into San Jose International Airport, if that's >>>> possible. That's the nearest airport to Cupertino. If not, there >>>> is also Oakland International and San Francisco International. >>>> >>>>> From San Jose International, you would get a shuttle bus right to >>>>> Cal Train, and Cal Train heading north, toward San Francisco, stops >>>>> in Cupertino along the way. From there, not sure. Have to check. >>>>> Most likely any cab driver knows where the Apple Facility is, I >>>>> would think. >>>> >>>>> From Oakland International, there are shuttles to BART, and BART >>>>> goes to San Francisco, to the Embarcadero Station, where you can >>>>> get Muni Metro, either N-Judah or T-Third, to Cal Train, heading >>>>> south, and stops in Cupertino. >>>> >>>>> From San Francisco International, same thing. BART goes right to >>>>> the airport there. Get off at the Embarcadero station, take Muni >>>>> N- >>>>> Judah or T-Third to Cal Train. >>>> >>>> You can board the Muni right inside the Embarcadero BART station. >>>> There's a booth right when you exit BART, with a person inside to >>>> ask. Tell them you want the MUNI to the Cal Train Station, and >>>> they can tell you how to board it. >>>> >>>> It's all still underground at that point. You're still inside the >>>> station. It's just that Muni runs one level up from BART, on >>>> different tracks. And then surfaces to the city streets before the >>>> next stop, heading the direction toward Cal Train, anyway. The >>>> other direction, it stays underground for quite a few stations >>>> before surfacing to city streets. The Cal Train stop is the end of >>>> the line for N-Judah and it's the 4th & King stop for the T-Third. >>>> Same stop for both Metro trains. >>>> >>>> janet >>>> >>>> ---------------------------------------- >>>>> Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 07:31:35 -0800 >>>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>> Subject: Re: IPhone accessibility: was: Re: iTunes strange >>>>> happening >>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>> >>>>> i dont know that area at all;) but will do this >>>>> On Jul 23, 2008, at 7:25 AM, UCLA Bruins Fan wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> It would be a great opportunity. I am up for giving it a try if >>>>>> people really think we can make it work. I have to be in the bay >>>>>> area (San Francisco) from october 16/20 for something else, but >>>>>> would certainly be willing to go at another time as well if we can >>>>>> pull this off, figure out housing logistics, etc. >>>>>> If there is anything I can do to help let me know. >>>>>> I don't know the bay area all that well, but know people who do. >>>>>> Not sure how close to Cupertino they live, but can find out. >>>>>> Olivia >>>>>> >>>>>> On Jul 23, 2008, at 7:09 AM, David Poehlman wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> it would be cool if the group could sit down with the >>>>>>> accessibility >>>>>>> team. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> From: "Krister Ekstrom" >>>>>>> To: "General discussions on all topics relating to the use of Mac >>>>>>> OS Xby >>>>>>> theblind" >>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 6:41 AM >>>>>>> Subject: Re: IPhone accessibility: was: Re: iTunes strange >>>>>>> happening >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Another idea might be that some very knowledgeable people who >>>>>>> really >>>>>>> know their VO and possibly other products would demonstrate what >>>>>>> blind >>>>>>> people actually could do with a Mac and ask for some sort of >>>>>>> cooperation to help solve the problems that are there. Does it >>>>>>> make >>>>>>> sence? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> /Krister >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 23 jul 2008 kl. 00.08 skrev David Poehlman: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> apple might actually be willing to host. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>> From: "Janet and Felix *" >>>>>>>> To: "General discussions on all topics relating to the use of >>>>>>>> Mac OS >>>>>>>> X by >>>>>>>> theblind" >>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 5:27 PM >>>>>>>> Subject: RE: IPhone accessibility: was: Re: iTunes strange >>>>>>>> happening >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I live in a dinky little apartment! But something could be >>>>>>>> arranged >>>>>>>> somehow! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I did a map directions search from our place to the facility. It >>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>> just >>>>>>>> over 71 miles, and 1 hour 25 minutes travel time driving, one >>>>>>>> way. >>>>>>>> Because >>>>>>>> of driving through the city. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So I'm not sure we're the most convenient of locations. We do >>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>> friends >>>>>>>> who live closer to Cupertino who might be willing to allow us to >>>>>>>> use >>>>>>>> their >>>>>>>> house as a base. We'd have to do some checking. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> janet >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------- >>>>>>>>> Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 13:01:58 -0800 >>>>>>>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: IPhone accessibility: was: Re: iTunes strange >>>>>>>>> happening >>>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> and can we use your house as a base? >>>>>>>>> On Jul 22, 2008, at 12:58 PM, Janet and Felix * wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Felix says, arrange a tour of the facility. For a bunch of >>>>>>>>>> blind >>>>>>>>>> people. And then ask if (we) can sit down and talk to the >>>>>>>>>> research/ >>>>>>>>>> development team leader to discuss ideas for better >>>>>>>>>> accessibility. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> We live about 70 miles north of Cupertino. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Just brainstorming. >>>>>>>>>> janet >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------- >>>>>>>>>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: IPhone accessibility: was: Re: iTunes strange >>>>>>>>>>> happening >>>>>>>>>>> Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 15:33:14 -0400 >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Sure. Cupertino, here I come. LOL. :) I have to go up to the >>>>>>>>>>> bay >>>>>>>>>>> area >>>>>>>>>>> in October, so how about it? :) >>>>>>>>>>> I wish there was a way we could all camp out, but somehow I >>>>>>>>>>> doubt >>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>> would be effective. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 22, 2008, at 1:37 PM, Mike's Western Account wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> hey lets camp out side apple's hq untel something's done >>>>>>>>>>>> more >>>>>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>>>> there media devises, lol >>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 22, 2008, at 9:32 AM, Chris Gilland wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL! >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Chris. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike's Western >>>>>>>>>>>>> Account">>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "General discussions on all topics relating to the >>>>>>>>>>>>> use of >>>>>>>>>>>>> Mac >>>>>>>>>>>>> OS X by theblind" >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 1:00 PM >>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: IPhone accessibility: was: Re: iTunes strange >>>>>>>>>>>>> happening >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> i think that we just need to go to apple and make things >>>>>>>>>>>>>> get >>>>>>>>>>>>>> done;) lol >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 22, 2008, at 8:58 AM, Chris Gilland wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> speaking of IPods, why can't they put some form of speech >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> voiceover into IPods. I mean come on, if it could be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> done >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rockbox, then, surely Apple could do it with their own >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> product. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why should it be our! burden. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chris. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Poehlman">>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "General discussions on all topics relating to the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> use of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mac >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OS Xby theblind" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 12:37 PM >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: IPhone accessibility: was: Re: iTunes strange >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> happening >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi CB, there are two ways this could be done. Apple >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> engineer an ui >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and back it with vo or a 3rd party could develop an app >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> talks. there >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is a hardware device for the IPod called ITel I think >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> achieves at least >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> part of this for the IPod. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Blouch" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "General discussions on all topics relating to the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> use >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mac OS X by >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> theblind" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 12:33 PM >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: iTunes strange happening >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So out of curiosity, how would you make an iPhone >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> accessible? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Obviously >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it needs a speech engine, but how do you interact? There >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is no >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tactile >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> UI. I think it's a lot like a touch screen kiosk and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> simple >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instructions saying to touch the top left for yes or top >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> right >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for no. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That kind of interaction model doesn't scale very well >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> complex >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> interaction like typing an email . Not making excuses >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but this >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seems like a tough nut to crack. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CB >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Krister Ekstrom wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 22 jul 2008 kl. 05.10 skrev UCLA Bruins Fan: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I did bring this to an apple agents attention when I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> calling >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about another issue and was told that apple would >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "look >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> into >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it" This >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was in June, and appparently nothing has been resolved >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But seriously, what do you expect with all this Iphone >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> business going >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on? I'm sorry to sound like i do, but it has always >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that snassy flashy looks has been prioritized over >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> functionality and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> accessibility. To be frank, i'm surprised that we have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> such a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> well >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> functioning screen reader as we have. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With all this said, i agree that the dialog in question >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> usable, i just wonder what the best way to get there >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is. If >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> angry and demanding, we will only be regarded as >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whiners >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> complainers and if we ask politely, not much seems to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> happen. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /Krister >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> _________________________________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> Keep your kids safer online with Windows Live Family Safety. >>>>>>>>>> http://www.windowslive.com/family_safety/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_family_safety_072008 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _________________________________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Time for vacation? 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