On Sunday, March 09, 2014 19:23:31 Torrie Fischer wrote: > On Sunday, March 09, 2014 19:16:33 Omar Rassi wrote: > > I was thinking about a wording that would achieve the desired result, have > > a broad definition so that it covers all hypothetical problems and doesn't > > require any change in the future. It could read as follows: > > > > "Synhak Inc. expects all of its members, officers, and visitors to abide > > by > > federal, state and local law as required on the Synhak Inc. premises." > > > > It covers the concerns in this thread and more, its an established > > statement that Synhak Inc. doesn't condone unlawful activity and if the > > law > > changes, we don't have to go back and adjust it. > > I'm not sure I'm comfortable with stressing the fact that we're a > corporation. We're not; SYNHAK is a collective of people doing neat things. > > It is a core value of the hacker to rebel against authority. Isn't > registering our activity with the government in exact opposition to that? > Consider that for a bit.
To explain a bit more, I think it would be fine to say "Don't do illegal things at SYNHAK, dummy. They're illegal. You can do those elsewhere." It doesn't say SYNHAK, Inc, and it still gets the message across. I've added it to the page. > > > On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 1:58 PM, Omar Rassi <omar.ra...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > lol, did you really just do this now? > > > > > > On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 1:52 PM, Torrie Fischer > > <tdfisc...@hackerbots.net>wrote: > > >> On Friday, March 07, 2014 13:44:47 Omar Rassi wrote: > > >> > I will summarize my points as I won't be able to make the board > > >> > meeting > > >> > > >> or > > >> > > >> > this Tuesday's meeting as I'll be blowing stuff up with C4 and det > > >> > cord > > >> > that day: > > >> > > > >> > * There isnt now nor has ever been a pattern of substance abuse at > > >> > > >> Synhak. > > >> > > >> > Late night hackers are not being solicited by people looking to buy > > >> > > >> drugs > > >> > > >> > or alcohol. The community has regulated itself on this matter. If > > >> > you're > > >> > concerned about another person, go and talk to them about it. > > >> > > > >> > * If the concern is safety, how does this make us more safe and less > > >> > liable? There are already liability waivers, and safety classes > > >> > REQUIRED > > >> > before you can use the machine shop. I'm sure the safety class covers > > >> > > >> usage > > >> > > >> > while under the influence. > > >> > > > >> > * If things do get out of hand on a day, the Akron police downtown > > >> > > >> station > > >> > > >> > is .4 miles away, WALKING DISTANCE! All this stuff is already against > > >> > > >> the > > >> > > >> > law and so far, Synhak is known as a law abiding organization. > > >> > > > >> > * If we're concerned about illicit drugs and alcohol abuse to > > >> > formulate > > >> > policy, then lets go the extra mile, we need an acceptable use policy > > >> > to > > >> > get on the computers and internet while at the space since copyright > > >> > infringement is also illegal and we need ensure Synhak isn't liable > > >> > for > > >> > > >> a > > >> > > >> > visitor who downloads a song on our computer and internet connection. > > >> > > > >> > * Lastly, if the membership decides that there should be a written > > >> > > >> policy, > > >> > > >> > that policy must be written by a lawyer and then voted in, if the > > >> > > >> intent is > > >> > > >> > to protect the organization then it should be done by a legal expert. > > >> > > >> For > > >> > > >> > that matter, if legal protection is needed, we should keep a lawyer > > >> > on > > >> > a > > >> > retainer for consultation. > > >> > > >> its happening > > >> > > >> http://i.imgur.com/oVyfzv2.png > > >> > > >> > On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 1:12 PM, Tomm Smith <root.pac...@gmail.com> > > >> > > >> wrote: > > >> > > Torrie, > > >> > > No worries. As I am sure the feeling is mutually perceived. The > > >> > > topic > > >> > > >> is > > >> > > >> > > sort of foundational to a collectivists community so the heat of > > >> > > >> emotion > > >> > > >> > > is > > >> > > bound to arise. > > >> > > > > >> > > On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 1:10 PM, Tomm Smith <root.pac...@gmail.com> > > >> > > >> wrote: > > >> > >> Torrie, > > >> > >> I understand maintaining the spirit of what the space is and what > > >> > >> the > > >> > >> root desire of the gathering is. However, being a legal > > >> > > >> establishment, > > >> > > >> > >> one > > >> > >> must abide legal stipulations to ensure that possible neglected > > >> > > >> corners > > >> > > >> > >> of > > >> > >> circumstance do not bring a judicial situation that cripples the > > >> > > >> over all > > >> > > >> > >> community. Legal professionalism and personal hackerdom can > > >> > >> co-exist > > >> > > >> in > > >> > > >> > >> parallel and have no breaks in linearity. The legal paper work and > > >> > >> guidelines will only establish a certain order of conduct that has > > >> > > >> weight > > >> > > >> > >> communally, and legal coverage excluding the establishment from > > >> > >> any > > >> > >> mindless fools wrecking the place. Granted said guidelines are not > > >> > > >> hoops > > >> > > >> > >> and boundaries causing a communistic totalitarian sort of > > >> > >> community. > > >> > > >> In > > >> > > >> > >> short, legal hackerdom does not last very long. > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> Omar, > > >> > >> I think the primary focus of the introduction of the rules and > > >> > >> regulations is to be strictly a paperwork thing to have sway in > > >> > > >> court, > > >> > > >> > >> *GIVEN* a situation should arise. I could be wrong on this, it is > > >> > > >> simply > > >> > > >> > >> my > > >> > >> take of the primary reason for introducing such proposals. > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 12:52 PM, Torrie Fischer < > > >> > > >> tdfisc...@hackerbots.net > > >> > > >> > >> > wrote: > > >> > >>> > If its decided that we must have a drug and alcohol policy, > > >> > >>> > > >> > >>> Pushing through a board vote without membership discussion > > >> > >>> doesn't > > >> > > >> mean > > >> > > >> > >>> "it is > > >> > >>> decided", FWIW. > > >> > >>> > > >> > >>> On Friday, March 07, 2014 12:43:32 Omar Rassi wrote: > > >> > >>> > Is Synhak on trial for an incident that we now need to defend > > >> > >>> > ourselves > > >> > >>> > with policy and paperwork? If its decided that we must have a > > >> > > >> drug and > > >> > > >> > >>> > alcohol policy, then it should be written by a lawyer and not > > >> > >>> > by > > >> > > >> us > > >> > > >> > >>> (unless > > >> > >>> > > >> > >>> > a member here has a law degree). > > >> > >>> > > > >> > >>> > On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 12:41 PM, Omar Rassi > > >> > >>> > <omar.ra...@gmail.com > > >> > >>> > > >> > >>> wrote: > > >> > >>> > > How has Synhak supported drug use? Alcohol is in the fridge > > >> > >>> > > and > > >> > > >> only > > >> > > >> > >>> > > adults consume it. The alcohol is brought in by adults with > > >> > > >> their > > >> > > >> > >>> > > own > > >> > >>> > > money, not one dime of funds from Synhak's coffers has gone > > >> > >>> > > to > > >> > >>> > > >> > >>> alcohol. > > >> > >>> > > >> > >>> > > Beer brewing is one our supported hacking activities, do we > > >> > >>> > > now > > >> > > >> need > > >> > > >> > >>> to > > >> > >>> > > >> > >>> > > have rules on that because people are getting out of control? > > >> > >>> > > > > >> > >>> > > On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 12:37 PM, Justin Herman < > > >> > > >> just...@gmail.com> > > >> > > >> > >>> wrote: > > >> > >>> > >> Omar, > > >> > >>> > >> > > >> > >>> > >> Yes the restaurant can be liable IF it can be proven that > > >> > >>> > >> the > > >> > >>> > > >> > >>> restaurant > > >> > >>> > > >> > >>> > >> supported this activity. The issue becomes how good is our > > >> > > >> defense. > > >> > > >> > >>> > >> Justin > > >> > >>> > >> > > >> > >>> > >> On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 12:34 PM, Omar Rassi < > > >> > > >> omar.ra...@gmail.com> > > >> > > >> > >>> wrote: > > >> > >>> > >>> So if someone snorts coke in a restaurant bathroom, the > > >> > > >> restaurant > > >> > > >> > >>> is > > >> > >>> > > >> > >>> > >>> liable? Again, I should emphasize, I'm not against the > > >> > >>> > >>> idea, > > >> > > >> I'm > > >> > > >> > >>> just > > >> > >>> > > >> > >>> > >>> against creating more regulation when there already exists > > >> > >>> > >>> the > > >> > >>> > > >> > >>> law. It > > >> > >>> > > >> > >>> > >>> isn't any of our business what life choices people make. > > >> > >>> > >>> > > >> > >>> > >>> On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 12:30 PM, Justin Herman < > > >> > > >> just...@gmail.com > > >> > > >> > >>> >wrote: > > >> > >>> > >>>> Omar, > > >> > >>> > >>>> > > >> > >>> > >>>> Without policy SynHak becomes compliant with legal issues > > >> > >>> > >>>> in > > >> > > >> the > > >> > > >> > >>> space. > > >> > >>> > > >> > >>> > >>>> SynHak created the atmosphere for X to occur. Why? Because > > >> > >>> > >>>> we > > >> > >>> > > >> > >>> wanted to > > >> > >>> > > >> > >>> > >>>> not > > >> > >>> > >>>> have rules is not valid legal defense. ESP since it has > > >> > >>> > >>>> now > > >> > > >> been > > >> > > >> > >>> > >>>> brought up.>>>> > > >> > >>> > >>>> On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 12:27 PM, Omar Rassi > > >> > >>> > > >> > >>> <omar.ra...@gmail.com>wrote: > > >> > >>> > >>>>> Personally, I'm not interested in policing the space, I > > >> > > >> don't > > >> > > >> > >>> come > > >> > >>> > > >> > >>> > >>>>> there to keep on eye on other members and visitors. The > > >> > >>> > >>>>> law > > >> > >>> > > >> > >>> doesn't > > >> > >>> > > >> > >>> > >>>>> disappear when you walk through the doors so I'm > > >> > >>> > >>>>> wondering > > >> > > >> why > > >> > > >> > >>> the > > >> > >>> > > >> > >>> > >>>>> organizing needs to apply more paperwork and wording on > > >> > >>> > >>>>> the > > >> > >>> > > >> > >>> subject. > > >> > >>> > > >> > >>> > >>>>> On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 12:27 PM, Torrie Fischer < > > >> > >>> > >>>>> > > >> > >>> > >>>>> tdfisc...@hackerbots.net> wrote: > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> On Friday, March 07, 2014 12:20:05 Omar Rassi wrote: > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> > I'm taking this to mean that the liability waiver is > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> > not > > >> > >>> > > >> > >>> enough > > >> > >>> > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> anymore. > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> > Did something happen at the space recently? I'm not > > >> > > >> exactly > > >> > > >> > >>> against > > >> > >>> > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> this > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> > idea but so far the majority of people that come to > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> > the > > >> > > >> space > > >> > > >> > >>> and > > >> > >>> > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> > participate have been adults of sound mind. Has this > > >> > > >> gotten > > >> > > >> > >>> so out > > >> > >>> > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> of hand > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> > that people are no longer able to look out for > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> > eachother > > >> > > >> or > > >> > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> > restrain > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> > themselves so Synhak Inc. needs to step in and become > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> > big > > >> > >>> > > >> > >>> brother? > > >> > >>> > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> Yeah, thats my concern. > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> I thought we were trying to stay away from pre-emptive > > >> > > >> rules > > >> > > >> > >>> and were > > >> > >>> > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> capable > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> of policing ourselves like adults, or having in person > > >> > >>> > > >> > >>> conversations > > >> > >>> > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> to > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> address issues instead of slyly bringing up board vote > > >> > > >> topics > > >> > > >> > >>> that > > >> > >>> > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> apply to > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> the whole membership three days before board meetings. > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> I think we need a bylaw amendment that the agenda for a > > >> > > >> board > > >> > > >> > >>> meeting > > >> > >>> > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> must be > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> issued in full with any announcement. > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> Am I allowed to bring issues up minutes before the board > > >> > >>> > > >> > >>> meeting? an > > >> > >>> > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> hour into > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> it? > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> I think I'll do that. I'll propose that we stop coddling > > >> > > >> the > > >> > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> community. > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> > On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 12:10 PM, Justin Herman < > > >> > >>> > > >> > >>> just...@gmail.com> > > >> > >>> > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> wrote: > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> > > I think we need to set the option for you to be > > >> > > >> excused for > > >> > > >> > >>> the > > >> > >>> > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> day with > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> > > the possibility of having membership terminated or > > >> > > >> banned > > >> > > >> > >>> for > > >> > >>> > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> > > repeat/egregious behavior. Someone unwilling to > > >> > > >> cooperate > > >> > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> > > to > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> remove and > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> > > mitigate the issue and safety is of concern the > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> > > police > > >> > >>> > > >> > >>> should be > > >> > >>> > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> called. > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> > > I see a drug and alcohol policy as important as our > > >> > > >> safety > > >> > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> requirements as > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> > > it put everyone at risk. Not only can SynHak be held > > >> > > >> liable > > >> > > >> > >>> but > > >> > >>> > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> the > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> > > members > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> > > and board who allow it to continue can be held > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> > > liable. > > >> > >>> > > >> > >>> Safety is > > >> > >>> > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> of > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> > > concern > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> > > as someone could personally feel they are alright to > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> > > operate > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> machinery but > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> > > miss judge they capacity. > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> > > > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> > > These are awful concerns and no one likes to think > > >> > > >> about > > >> > > >> > >>> someone > > >> > >>> > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> getting > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> > > hurt BUT without a policy SynHak can't have a leg to > > >> > > >> stand > > >> > > >> > >>> on. > > >> > >>> > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> > > On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 11:53 AM, Seeley, Tim > > >> > > >> (PSA-Akron) < > > >> > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> > > tim.see...@psangelus.com> wrote: > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> It might need to say something about what the adult > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> alcohol > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> permitted > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> behavior is. > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> V/R > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> Tim Seeley > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> -----Original Message----- > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> From: discuss-boun...@synhak.org [mailto: > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> discuss-boun...@synhak.org] On > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> Behalf Of Devin Wolfe > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> Sent: Friday, March 07, 2014 11:41 AM > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> To: discuss@synhak.org > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> Subject: [SH-Discuss] SYNHAK Drug Policy > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> Hello all, > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> Up until now there has been no formal drug policy > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> at > > >> > >>> > > >> > >>> synhak. But > > >> > >>> > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> with > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> several complaints and concerns raised recently I > > >> > > >> feel it > > >> > > >> > >>> is > > >> > >>> > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> time we > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> implement one. As a corporation we jeopardise > > >> > > >> ourselves if > > >> > > >> > >>> we > > >> > >>> > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> just turn a > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> blind eye. Plus working around dangerous tools > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> while > > >> > > >> under > > >> > > >> > >>> the > > >> > >>> > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> influence > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> is > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> a liability. > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> Here is the wording I plan on submitting to the > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> board: > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> SYNHAK INC. will not condone, endorse, or allow the > > >> > > >> use of > > >> > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> illegal drugs > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> or related illegal activities including but not > > >> > > >> limited to > > >> > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> illegal drug > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> use, possession, sale, manufacturing, transfer, > > >> > > >> providing > > >> > > >> > >>> drugs > > >> > >>> > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> or > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> alcohol > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> to a minor, or consumption of drugs or alcohol by a > > >> > > >> minor, > > >> > > >> > >>> as > > >> > >>> > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> defined and > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> stated in the Ohio Revised Code, any laws or set of > > >> > > >> laws > > >> > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> pertaining to > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> any > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> location where SYNHAK INC. is at that time > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> conducting > > >> > >>> > > >> > >>> business. > > >> > >>> > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> This > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> pertains but is not limited to agents, > > >> > > >> representatives, > > >> > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> volunteers, > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> members, nonmembers, employees, and contractors. > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> I would like the hear everyone's opinion on this. > > >> > > >> Also do > > >> > > >> > >>> we > > >> > >>> > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> need an > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> explicit procedure for discipline or removal if > > >> > > >> needed? > > >> > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> Please do not accuse, slander, or otherwise make > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> this > > >> > > >> a > > >> > > >> > >>> personal > > >> > >>> > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> matter. > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> Keep names out of it. > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> In excellence, > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> Devin Wolfe > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> Sent with AquaMail for Android > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> http://www.aqua-mail.com > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> Discuss mailing list > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> Discuss@synhak.org > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> Discuss mailing list > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> Discuss@synhak.org > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> > >> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> > > > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> > > _______________________________________________ > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> > > Discuss mailing list > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> > > Discuss@synhak.org > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> > > https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> _______________________________________________ > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> Discuss mailing list > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> Discuss@synhak.org > > >> > >>> > >>>>>> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > >> > >>> > >>>>> > > >> > >>> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > > >> > >>> > >>>>> Discuss mailing list > > >> > >>> > >>>>> Discuss@synhak.org > > >> > >>> > >>>>> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > >> > >>> > >>>> > > >> > >>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > > >> > >>> > >>>> Discuss mailing list > > >> > >>> > >>>> Discuss@synhak.org > > >> > >>> > >>>> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > >> > >>> > >>> > > >> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > > >> > >>> > >>> Discuss mailing list > > >> > >>> > >>> Discuss@synhak.org > > >> > >>> > >>> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > >> > >>> > >> > > >> > >>> > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> > >>> > >> Discuss mailing list > > >> > >>> > >> Discuss@synhak.org > > >> > >>> > >> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > >> > >>> > > >> > >>> _______________________________________________ > > >> > >>> Discuss mailing list > > >> > >>> Discuss@synhak.org > > >> > >>> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > >> > >> > > >> > >> -- > > >> > >> > > >> > >> Sincerely, Tomm Smith > > >> > >> God bless > > >> > > > > >> > > -- > > >> > > > > >> > > Sincerely, Tomm Smith > > >> > > God bless > > >> > > > > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > >> > > Discuss mailing list > > >> > > Discuss@synhak.org > > >> > > https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> Discuss mailing list > > >> Discuss@synhak.org > > >> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss@synhak.org > https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss _______________________________________________ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
