-0 on separate lists until we need them rather than think we will. -1 on diveristy-action as a name, as we are seeing people worry that D&I means creating rules and regulations by which others must conform. This creates tension and defensive behavior. The word "action" will reinforce this assumption.
Ross ________________________________ From: Patricia Shanahan <p...@acm.org> Sent: Monday, May 13, 2019 11:45 AM To: diversity@apache.org Subject: Re: FAQ and education mailing list I am going to start the FAQ discussion, using [FAQ] as tag, without waiting for a new list, but will move it if and when there is a more appropriate mailing list. Meanwhile, I have a radical alternative suggestion on mailing list names. No matter what we do, I am afraid you will get the frequent questions on diversity@. As an alternative split, create a list diversity-action@ for those who have already decided action is appropriate, and want to get on with doing it. Anything related to diversity would be on-topic on diversity@. Only threads about diversity-related actions would be on-topic on diversity-action@. On 5/13/2019 11:31 AM, Naomi Slater wrote: > I don't think that a [FAQ] tag solves the problem we're trying to address > here. which, as far as I understand it, is that this list is likely to see > a lot of threads that may ultimately hamper the work we're trying > to accomplish > > in a sense, we *want* to bifurcate the community. i.e., we want to be able > to say "this isn't an appropriate thread for this list, please take it to > diversity-meta@" and be quite firm about shunting that stuff off > > we need to prioritize maintaining an (emotionally) safe and stress-free > environment on this list (diversity@). and I can't over-emphasize how much > we put that at risk if we allow meta discussion to take place here > > > > On Mon, 13 May 2019 at 19:50, Ross Gardler > <ross.gard...@microsoft.com.invalid> wrote: > >> +1 to not another list, use subject tag "[FAQ]" >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Bertrand Delacretaz <bdelacre...@apache.org> >> Sent: Monday, May 13, 2019 10:30 AM >> To: diversity@apache.org >> Subject: Re: FAQ and education mailing list >> >> Hi, >> >> On Sat, May 11, 2019 at 5:19 PM Patricia Shanahan <p...@acm.org> wrote: >>> ...I don't want my FAQ-collection effort to get in the way of getting >>> things done on diversity@. For that reason, I suggest creation of a >>> mailing list diversity_education@a.o... >> >> I disagree with Yet Another List as it tends to fragment a community, >> and this one is not too large. >> >> We can use [FAQ] in email subject lines to differentiate while keeping >> others aware of what's going on. >> >> There are more words about this in Stefano Mazzocchi's "we love busy >> lists" message that I relayed at >> >> https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgrep.codeconsult.ch%2F2011%2F12%2F06%2Fstefanos-mazzocchis-busy-list-pattern%2F&data=01%7C01%7CRoss.Gardler%40microsoft.com%7C041cc0d04b454c62dd3308d6d7d32df4%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1&sdata=WpF07eePGlezaw3ytwkx03e%2FoLZ%2FRT%2BFl4Hp4gmKoWI%3D&reserved=0 >> >> -Bertrand >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: diversity-unsubscr...@apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: diversity-h...@apache.org >> >> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: diversity-unsubscr...@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: diversity-h...@apache.org
