Hi everyone, I agree with Naomi that there are two "personas" who might be interested in our work
A) the ones who want to learn B) the ones championing work For A) I'd suggest we publish a FAQs in the wiki as Joan suggested for now. I'm a +1 for Patricia to start curating the FAQ content and publishing it in the wiki. I'm a -0 on creating a new list for now, we don't have traction yet to do this. When we start to see more topics been discussed we can open spaces as needed. I see the point of avoiding trolls, but running away from them or removing them to another space is not yet the fight I choose to fight. I rather give us the time to deal with them publicly to set the tone of what discussions we want and can have. *From: *Ross Gardler <ross.gard...@microsoft.com.invalid> *Date: *Mon, May 13, 2019, 1:53 PM *To: *diversity@apache.org -0 on separate lists until we need them rather than think we will. > > -1 on diveristy-action as a name, as we are seeing people worry that D&I > means creating rules and regulations by which others must conform. This > creates tension and defensive behavior. The word "action" will reinforce > this assumption. > > Ross > > ________________________________ > From: Patricia Shanahan <p...@acm.org> > Sent: Monday, May 13, 2019 11:45 AM > To: diversity@apache.org > Subject: Re: FAQ and education mailing list > > I am going to start the FAQ discussion, using [FAQ] as tag, without > waiting for a new list, but will move it if and when there is a more > appropriate mailing list. > > Meanwhile, I have a radical alternative suggestion on mailing list > names. No matter what we do, I am afraid you will get the frequent > questions on diversity@. As an alternative split, create a list > diversity-action@ for those who have already decided action is > appropriate, and want to get on with doing it. Anything related to > diversity would be on-topic on diversity@. Only threads about > diversity-related actions would be on-topic on diversity-action@. > > > On 5/13/2019 11:31 AM, Naomi Slater wrote: > > I don't think that a [FAQ] tag solves the problem we're trying to address > > here. which, as far as I understand it, is that this list is likely to > see > > a lot of threads that may ultimately hamper the work we're trying > > to accomplish > > > > in a sense, we *want* to bifurcate the community. i.e., we want to be > able > > to say "this isn't an appropriate thread for this list, please take it to > > diversity-meta@" and be quite firm about shunting that stuff off > > > > we need to prioritize maintaining an (emotionally) safe and stress-free > > environment on this list (diversity@). and I can't over-emphasize how > much > > we put that at risk if we allow meta discussion to take place here > > > > > > > > On Mon, 13 May 2019 at 19:50, Ross Gardler > > <ross.gard...@microsoft.com.invalid> wrote: > > > >> +1 to not another list, use subject tag "[FAQ]" > >> > >> ________________________________ > >> From: Bertrand Delacretaz <bdelacre...@apache.org> > >> Sent: Monday, May 13, 2019 10:30 AM > >> To: diversity@apache.org > >> Subject: Re: FAQ and education mailing list > >> > >> Hi, > >> > >> On Sat, May 11, 2019 at 5:19 PM Patricia Shanahan <p...@acm.org> wrote: > >>> ...I don't want my FAQ-collection effort to get in the way of getting > >>> things done on diversity@. For that reason, I suggest creation of a > >>> mailing list diversity_education@a.o... > >> > >> I disagree with Yet Another List as it tends to fragment a community, > >> and this one is not too large. > >> > >> We can use [FAQ] in email subject lines to differentiate while keeping > >> others aware of what's going on. > >> > >> There are more words about this in Stefano Mazzocchi's "we love busy > >> lists" message that I relayed at > >> > >> > https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgrep.codeconsult.ch%2F2011%2F12%2F06%2Fstefanos-mazzocchis-busy-list-pattern%2F&data=01%7C01%7CRoss.Gardler%40microsoft.com%7C041cc0d04b454c62dd3308d6d7d32df4%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1&sdata=WpF07eePGlezaw3ytwkx03e%2FoLZ%2FRT%2BFl4Hp4gmKoWI%3D&reserved=0 > >> > >> -Bertrand > >> > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: diversity-unsubscr...@apache.org > >> For additional commands, e-mail: diversity-h...@apache.org > >> > >> > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: diversity-unsubscr...@apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: diversity-h...@apache.org > >
