On April 16, 2015 8:05:25 PM EDT, Douglas Otis <doug.mtv...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>On 4/16/15 3:40 PM, Scott Kitterman wrote:
>> I think it would be better to await the results of the recently
>chartered dbound working group. Whatever DMARC does should, in the end,
>align to that, so it would be better not to have this group expend
>effort in that area for now. 
>Dear Scott,
>
>This misses the point.  There is precedence for DMARC using
>lists composed without an official basis yet essential to
>its operation.  Why wait for dbound aimed at offering
>completely different results?  As this WG considers special
>handling for domains that operate some type of third-party
>service, these same considerations become critical elements
>in achieving a network effect toward practical solutions
>safely restoring the role of Sender wholly ignored by DMARC.
>
>Achieving a network effect requires consensus on how to
>effectively deal with problems DMARC creates when handling
>third-party services and dealing with misleading assertions
>made in DMARC policy.  Consensus should avoid endorsing
>modes of operation that detract from the social and civic
>benefits derived from an open exchange of email.  The WG
>should strive to ensure an email notification scheme will
>not cripple other services in use for decades.  Finding a
>balance likely means algorithmically categorizing either
>third-party domains or domains making misleading assertions. 

We're going to have to use whatever PSL replacement dbound produces.  Let's not 
have to change twice. 

I agree that harmonizing DMARC and various third-party originator's operations 
will be complicated. I think the mediator case is more tractable, so I have 
focused there for now. 

Scott K

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