"Bad idea" is a subjective term, and irrelevant. The purpose of technical standards is not to get somebody elected, it is to define solutions to problems. The critical question is whether a proposal provides the best available solution to a problem.
I wonder if the mailing list community is actually content with the status quo, and there is no problem to be solved. Is From-munging only a minor nuisance, one that is useful for abusing with friends, but not otherwise important? The chairs told us, over a year ago, that DMARCbis would only get approved if we "solved" the mailing list problem. I see no reason to conclude that anything approaching a solution has been put on the table until now. So I have been motivated to find a viable solution. Is change needed or not? You tell me. There simply is no technical solution to the requirement "lists must be allowed to do things that others cannot, and this must be allowed without lists having to pre-register themselves with all of their recipient organizations." If you want change, you need to relax the constraints because this constraint is unsolvable. I defined a complete solution as one that: - Produces allow-by-default, even when an unknown list sends a message from an unknown author to a new subscriber organization. - Allows list messages to be reliably whitelisted from content filters that have caused false positives. - Protects the list from spoofing. - Permits both user-to-list and user-to-user communication The rest of my proposal flowed from those requirements, and I concluded that the net benefits are substantial. If you want weaker requirements, we might be able to produce a weaker solution. But do we even have a weaker solution defined? If so, what results does it produce, and with what reliability? Doug On Wed, Oct 6, 2021 at 7:37 PM John Levine <jo...@taugh.com> wrote: > It appears that Alessandro Vesely <ves...@tana.it> said: > >Doug's emphasis on aliases tends to give that impression. Otherwise it > can > >finally be a much needed attempt at formalizing the old, known From: > rewriting. > > To point out what I would think is obvious, formalizing a bad idea doesn't > make > it any less bad an idea. > > R's, > John > > _______________________________________________ > dmarc mailing list > dmarc@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmarc >
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