On Wed, Dec 14, 2022 at 5:45 PM Douglas Foster <
dougfoster.emailstanda...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Quantities
> --------------
> I can see that FAIL quantities could be useful for motivating law
> enforcement.  It has the advantage of installed code and relatively little
> processing cost.
>

I don't share your optimism here; aggregate reports are nigh on useless as
sources of actionable data to attempt to shut down fraudulent use of the
domain in my opinion.

The data rows describing failures in aggregate reports are a claim by the
reporter that it saw some number of messages originating from a given
source IP with a tuple of SPF, DKIM, and DMARC values.

The domain owner can and should believe those claims to be true, and if the
disposition matches the domain owner's wishes, they're even proof that the
domain owner's DMARC policy is working as designed, but I have yet to meet
an abuse desk that will take action on anything other than a full message,
including all headers, and aggregate reports don't contain that.

As for law enforcement, I don't see "Officer, that unknown guy over there
did something bad, and I can't show you direct evidence of it, you're just
gonna have to trust me when I say he did it X times" as a motivator,
especially if the bad guy is likely to be out of the local office's
jurisdiction or even country.

Failure quantities in aggregate reports can be valuable in identifying
legitimate mail streams that are sending on behalf of the domain owner but
that do not yet have proper authentication in place, but that's all they're
good for.

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