It appears that Murray S. Kucherawy  <superu...@gmail.com> said:
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>On Thu, Mar 30, 2023 at 8:56 AM Barry Leiba <barryle...@computer.org> wrote:
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>> 2. Without the workaround, the real pain is not that a message from
>> Comcast posted to the list doesn't get to you (though that's true): the
>> real pain is that if Valimail rejects (bounces) those messages, the Mailman
>> software will eventually unsubscribe you -- YOU, not the Comcast user --
>> from the list for exceeding the bounce threshold.
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>This is laid out in RFC 6377, Section 5.2, if it would be helpful to have
>something published to reference.  Indeed, ADSP threatened the same damage
>that DMARC "p=reject" causes, which I think was one of the reasons it never
>got adopted.

It wasn't just a threat -- someone got bounced off an IETF list shortly
after the ADSP draft came out when some eager beaver implemented it.  

R's,
John

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