Perfect.  The goal is working towards consensus is to find something we can 
live with, so that's exactly what I was hoping for.  I don't think it's ideal 
either, but I can live with it.

Scott K

On Friday, April 14, 2023 10:43:24 PM EDT Mark Alley wrote:
> Its not ideal, but I could live with that. That's somewhat less ambiguous
> than [general purpose] domains, but still ambiguous; the Appendix or the
> same section could easily clarify "unrestrictive usage policies",  and then
> maybe the appendix, as you say, could cover the known issues and
> workarounds.
> 
> If I'm being honest, given the different versions put forth so far, it
> seems like this type of language is closer to the compromise on the
> interoperability statement. The other versions say relatively the same
> thing.
> 
> - Mark Alley
> 
> On Fri, Apr 14, 2023, 7:08 PM Scott Kitterman <skl...@kitterman.com> wrote:
> > On Friday, April 14, 2023 5:54:06 PM EDT Dotzero wrote:
> > > Barry wrote:
> > > 
> > > " The idea is MUST NOT because it harms interop with long-standing
> > > deployments.  If you decide you're more important than that, you do
> > > what you want and there it is.  It's as simple as that"
> > > 
> > > I could live with the normative MUST NOT if there were some
> > > non-normative
> > > text recognizing that there are domains that violate the MUST NOT but
> > > not
> > > in any way attempting to validate violating the MUST NOT. Is there any
> > > potential that such wordsmithing could break the apparent impasse? Just
> > > sort of noodling on this.
> > 
> > Due to the interoperability affects both on a domain's own message stream
> > and
> > side effects on other domain's email flow, domains with [unrestrictive]
> > usage
> > policies MUST NOT publish DMARC records with p=reject as the policy.  See
> > Appendix [X] for information on how to ameliorate some of these issues and
> > the
> > possible side effects.
> > 
> > I bracketed [unrestrictive] because I'm reasonably confident that's not
> > the
> > right word, but I didn't think of another, better one.  I bracketed the
> > [X]
> > because I didn't look up where exactly I thought it ought to go.
> > 
> > Note: I do think only having p=reject in here is correct because
> > p=quarantine
> > doesn't have the same blow-back effects on third parties.
> > 
> > Something like that?
> > 
> > Scott K
> > 
> > 
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