On Tue, Apr 1, 2025 at 9:28 AM Alessandro Vesely <[email protected]> wrote:

> >     It's up to you to organize yourselves and find the energy to
> complete any
> >     work you want to get done by that deadline.  Any document that has
> not
> >     gotten through the IESG will die with the working group, which
> includes the
> >     base document if it suffers neglect in the interim.  And there is no
> >     guarantee that anyone on the next IESG will be willing to sponsor it
> >     afterwards.
>
> That is what I called /abrupt/.
>

We appear to have different understandings of that word.  After 9 years, I
pleaded for progress; after 10 years, I gave what amounted to a five month
deadline.  I would use a word like "generous" rather than "abrupt".


> > That's up to the Area Directors.  If it were up to me, and reopening the
> WG
> > is the call, I would be setting an extremely tight charter to resolve
> only
> > the reporting question, and probably a very short deadline.  Any other
> work
> > would be out of scope.
>
> It seems like a "no". Yet, the draft is in the initial charter (track 1)
> and I
> have not heard any refusal on the merits, only on the timing.
>

Even assuming a wide open charter, you appear to be arguing to adopt a
document into a working group that has run out of energy.  I don't
understand why that's a worthwhile exercise.

> Also, if the consensus is option 2 or 3, I would argue we don't need a
> > venue just to detach the documents.
>
> I know we may never see it, but I would bet it would take more discussion
> to
> change the approved documents for 2 or 3 than to accept the current draft.
>

That's for the current ADs to sort out.

-MSK
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