On 3/19/25 11:08, Barry Leiba wrote:
> I note that we are shutting down the DMARC working group without completing
> the failure reporting document.  We have discussed what to do about failure
> reporting,but never made a decision.  We need to decide now.
> 
> I see three options:
> 
> 1. Continue discussing the document, complete it, and ask Andy to
> AD-sponsor it.

I'm in favour of option 1.

However, I believe the document is finished, modulo addressing any
review comments, and should be submitted for review as a WG product,
just as the other two documents.


Since coming late to the party, only joining this effort in July last
year, I've heard the mantra that we will primarily update the documents
to document how it is done by current implementers. I never got the
impression that the WG thinks that failure reporting should be
abandoned, but rather that it is largely finished, and did not need much
more changes.

Lately, I thought of it as a detail of the process that failure
reporting was not reviewed at the same time as the other documents. I
judged it to be likely, based on the several emails emphasizing how many
pages was available for a telechat review, that it had to wait until
later when more pages were available in that review process.

I note that if option 2 or 3 were to be chosen, DMARCbis and aggregate
reporting will be in need of updates removing talk of failure reporting,
or referring to RFC 7489. Necessitating removal of any deprecation of
that document. In other words, a cascade of changes would need to
propagate through those drafts. And depending on how that is done at
this point, how openly it is done, posted here for review, etc., maybe
that would remove the WG consensus classification that is so sought after.

For these reasons, I believe submitting failure reporting for review
would be the path of least resistance going forward to deprecate RFC
7489, and publishing this trio of documents as its successor specifications.

I'm new to IETF processes, so maybe I'm totally wrong about something
here. If so, please disregard what is crazy-talk.


Daniel K.

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