On Thu, 27 Sep 2001, Peter Surda wrote:

>>    Sure, that is a valid point but we need to remember that in the past
>>    ATI has not been adverse to supporting open source drivers or to
>>    releasing specs to qualified people. 
>
>They are very friendly actually. They provided me mach64 and r128 docs (under
>NDA) within 24 hours after I registered with them (last week). Although I must
>confess I've been recommended, it still shows that they are completely OK. I
>don't see any problems on the communication level, perhaps now that less
>people get paid for developing the drivers the pace will slow down, but not
>stop.
>
>What developers can do is to recommend ATI cards to end-users, so there is
>larger need for the drivers and larger chance someone would be willing to pay
>for them.

I think your final comment here Peter really hits the nail on the 
head.  In all honesty, *any* level of support for Linux from any 
hardware vendor - currently does not generate enough revenue to 
barely cover costs involved in developing the drivers.  That may 
vary from vendor to vendor, but I'll bet it is more or less true.  

As such, if a vendor is going to support Linux at all - or more 
generally open source, everyone needs to be greatful to the 
companies that do provide the information needed to implement 
drivers - be it under strict NDA, minor NDA, or completely gratis 
no strings attached.  And when I say NDA - I mean NDA that allows 
the resulting code to be released into XFree86, etc..

In general - for any vendor to allow a small but organized group
of people access to information needed - who are well motivated,
and proven capable of implementing drivers is fantastic.

In order for a vendor to write drivers themselves, or fund
development under contract - or even a 3rd party to fund such
development, there needs to be some benefit to that vendor for
supporting such an effort.  If that happens, great!  If a 
particular driver development does not get funded, it is entirely 
possible that whoever would be a potential funder of such - might 
not see a return on their investment.

In other words.  If any large group of people want any vendor to
fund support for a given product, then support that company by
buying their existing supported products, and be sure to mention
that you are purchasing it for use in Linux.




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