--- "Mike A. Harris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Fri, 28 Feb 2003, Jon Smirl wrote:
> 
> I don't see 100 unpaid hackers hacking feverishly on
> anything X 

Obviously you wouldn't see 100 people working full
time but you might get detailed bug reports or patches
from 100 people. I know I get patches from all over
the place for code I have written.

A couple of months ago I wanted to make a few changes
to the ATI Rage128 framebuffer driver. It took me a
month to get ATI to give me the register specs. I
still can't get the 3D spec and this is for five year
old hardware. I fixed a couple of bugs in the
framebuffer. I just left the others alone since I
can't get them to tell me how to reset the card from
protected mode.  

I just don't understand what is to be gained by
keeping the Rage128 hardware programming spec secret.
After all a device driver for a board has the best
copy protection in the world.

But in ATI's defense they are much better than Nvidia.
I gave away my NVidia hardware and I won't be buying
any more.

> While I would love nothing more than to see that, I
> highly doubt
> that either ATI or Nvidia have the legal rights to
> open source
> the entire source code of all of their drivers. 
> Parts of them 
> perhaps, but I doubt all of them, and even then
> parts of them 
> would be patent encumbered still.

We don't know if NVidia or ATI have incorporated 3rd
party code into their drviers. 

There are other solutions. 
1) ATI could simply open source their hardware spec
and let us write the drivers
2) ATI could shift resources and contribute to the DRI
code base instead of working on their own.
3) ATI can license their patents for royalty free use
when developing drivers for their hardware. Other uses
would require fees, like the new W3C patent position.

Again, no knock on ATI. They are doing the best of the bunch.

=====
Jon Smirl
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