Hi Richard,

gosh, that is indeed entirely new, not only to me but also to the  
librarians who have used DSpace for a longer time now as well. This is  
indeed confusing.

So thank you very much for clarifying this!

The only thing that I would like to know is how I can change the  
"target" of that iFrame, which is now the 3.0 generic license, to the  
CC license that we want to use, i.e. the Canadian 2.5 version .. and I  
cannot find any setting / file where that is set.

Do you know that?

cheers
maike



On 9-Jan-08, at 6:23 AM, Richard Rodgers wrote:

> Hi Maike:
>
> A few explanations to help unravel the enigma:
> First, you should understand that there are two different licenses  
> involved
> here, not a choice of one. The first - the deposit license - is  
> (roughly)
> a licence that the depositor grants to the repository. It is not  
> optional,
> and does not display to users in the item display. For many  
> institutions,
> it is a legal requirement. It is a standard 'click-thru' license in  
> the
> sense that the grantor can only accept or reject it (as you note). The
> license.default you mention contains this license text.
> The second - CC license - is (roughly) a license
> that an author grants to consumers of her work. It is entirely  
> optional
> (as you note with the cc-enable property), and *does* prominently  
> display to
> users in the item page. Here, the submitter *can* choose from a set  
> of licenses
> that reflect the desire to control/share content.
>
> What is confusing is that they both appear in the submission work-flow
> (first CC, then deposit), and the the CC is a mini-workflow in itself
> consisting if steps in an Iframe. Many have lamented the 'brittle'
> Iframe, but it was the only programmatic access we had when it was  
> first
> offered. Now there are 'web'service' interfaces to CC that should  
> probably
> be adopted (volunteers welcome!).
>
> Hope this helps,
>
> Richard
>
> Quoting Maike Dulk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
>> Hi
>>
>> I noticed some really strange behaviour in our DSpace installation.
>>
>> It is the Creative Commons licensing.
>>
>> When the setting in dspace.cfg is set to true
>>
>> #### Creative Commons settings ######
>> # are Creative Commons licenses used in submission?
>> webui.submit.enable-cc = true
>>
>> the Creative Commons section of the submission process has TWO
>> separate steps. The first one is the one that has the iFrame that
>> displays the Creative Commons webpage in it, and there are two  
>> choices
>> that the submitter can set before accepting the license.
>> After that, there is another step that asks another time whether the
>> submitter wants to accept the Creative Commons license. This page is
>> much simpler and has no choices, only two buttons - either "I Grant
>> the License"  or "I Do Not Grant the License" .
>>
>> The strange thing is that the first stage points to a version of the
>> CC license that is NOT the one that we want to use, and that I have
>> entered in the default.license config file. We want to use the
>> Canadian 2.5 license, but it displays - AND attaches - the generic  
>> 3.0
>> CC license.
>> That second stage does point to the Canadian 2.5 version license -  
>> but
>> it is apparently discarded.
>>
>> The strangeness becomes more apparent when I do this:
>>
>> #### Creative Commons settings ######
>> # are Creative Commons licenses used in submission?
>> webui.submit.enable-cc = false
>>
>> In that case, there is no longer the first step (the iFrame one) -  
>> but
>> the second step (the one with the url to the Canadian version and the
>> "I Grant the License"  or "I Do Not Grant the License" buttons) STILL
>> comes up. But submissions do not have the CC license attached ..  
>> which
>> does make some sense, since it is disabled.
>>
>>
>> So I'd really like to know:
>> - what makes this second step appear even though the CC is disabled  
>> in
>> dspace.cfg?
>> - How can I turn it off?
>> - where can I make the first CC license point to the right CC license
>> version (Canadian 2.5) ? It is not in the default.license .. since
>> that is set to the Canadian one.
>> - if we could get the second step to work with the right CC version
>> that would be even better, since it is much simpler than that brittle
>> iFrame mechanism
>>
>> My gosh, this is *complex*.
>>
>> thanks in advance,
>> maike
>>
>> ----------
>> Maike Dulk - Programmer / Analyst
>> McPherson Library, University of Victoria
>> (t) 250-886-5709 / (e) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>
>> -- Harthon gerithach aeair vilui / I hope you will have kind seas
>>
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