Some coordinators have in some areas have taken out 
either simplex or packet channels or a combination of 
both to accomodate the new growth in new repeaters
that was brought on by the introduction of D-Star.

The problem with the "paper" repeaters is that people 
are not helping the coordinators find them. In most cases
there are not even rules in the by-laws or operating 
standards of most coordinating bodies to deal with these
paper repeaters because when the by-laws were written
it was assumed that hams would be honest and professional
in their dealings and there were plenty of pairs to go around.

Things have changed though, and this paper repeater issue
is a sore spot with coordination bodies everywhere, but 
until these people holding them are embarrased and become
the "bad guys" they will not give them up. Unfortunately 
other than refusing a coordination the coorination groups
do not have any legal authority to tell anyone what they
may or may not do. In the event that these people at some
point begin to cause harmful interference and the matter
must be taken to the FCC. In that case the FCC will
side with the repeater that is sanctioned by the coordinating
group.

I agree with going after the paper repeaters, but I also have
been involved in creative organization to accomodate all the
new repeaters that have been established in the last three
or four years.

Dan Thompson
d...@waycom.com



> On Wed, 7 Apr 2010 09:31:01 -0600
> Nate Duehr <n...@natetech.com> wrote:
> 
>>  I know of no repeaters being installed in the simplex
>> portions of the bands that D-STAR repeaters use, but maybe
>> something's different where you are?
> 
> When I read that statement it reads like this:
> 
> "I know of no (analog) repeaters being installed in the simplex
> portions of the bands that D-STAR repeaters use."
> 
> Almost as if it is okay for D-Star and not for analog.  Maybe I read
> that wrong but please don't use the simplex frequencies.  Go after
> paper repeaters first.  
> 
> Another idea is to contact the owners of analog repeaters and work
> together to convert those to D-Star.

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