The real "answer" is infinitely complex, but the principles are reasonably simple. Fire is a change of environmental conditions to which organisms will respond according to the details of each case and context, including time, forwards and backwards. Human influence produces change, just as the proverbial butterfly flapping a wing on the other side of the globe (to stretch possibility, or even truth, to the extremes bordering on fantasy) produces change, but that is a far, far different thing than a fantasy landscape dependent upon continued maintenance to keep the illusion from suffering the slings and arrows of reality.

WT

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A question comes to mind. If an area is burned to the ground as a result of human carelessness, would we consider it degraded or destroyed? But if we then find that the fire was actually started by lightning, and the natural cycle that involves the return of nutrients to the soil and even the release of seeds that only sprout when burnt, would we change our view?

Bill Silvert

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Although I do enjoy and agree w/ Wayne's definitions, I think perhaps we have lost the way of the original post. I certainly do not have the answer nor the free time to pursue the answer, but I would imagine that there would be some value in looking into what we have lost over the years. Find out which ecosystem we have degraded/destroyed most over the years and you will probably find the ecosystem most often "restored".

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