Then I can suggest an easy way to solve the test issue for those retailers who use a third party. The third party contacts the supplier. If I, as supplier, tell them that I have an established EDI program with X number of partners exchanging Y documents and which version(s) and transactions I do, then I can test direct with the vendor with NO fees, using live data via the VAN/AS2 etc. If I can't meet the above criteria, then the testing and fees kick in. This gives the retailer a group of suppliers who are ready to test and the test firm handles the rest. Everyone's time is well used and fees are charged as needed.
________________________________ From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ilia Chlaifer Sent: Monday, October 03, 2005 3:44 PM To: Michael Mattias; [email protected] Subject: RE: [BULK] Re: [EDI-L] Excellent EDI Article from Line 56 Michael: I can confirm that info. In many occasions testing with a third party (QRS & SPS) took us nowhere, so we've approached the Trading Partner (Sears, May Company & Burlington Coat Factory) directly to get an approval or have the issues resolved. To my humble understanding, most of the TPs use SPS or QRS services to ensure that we (vendors) can output EDI in the more-or-less industry-standard format. We (EDI-L) keep measuring up the rest of the world against ourselves, and keep forgetting that there are hundreds or even thousands vendors out there trying to do an EDI with those retailers having no clue what the EDI or X12 stands for. So what's wrong with the idea of having everyone check their 856 syntax before taking it to a 'next level'? I think we'd be surprised if we'd find out how many companies are still trying to parse in and 'spool out' raw EDI code using their applications, not using EDI translator at all and therefore not passing the date through any of the standard validations... Even take EDI-L for example. During my (uneventful mostly) career I've met 20-30 EDI guys in person. What do you know, only 2 of them belonged to EDI-L (hi Ed G, hi Michael F). So, I would not want to play a devil's advocate (I've always been on the vendor side), but we have to understand why those guys (Sears etc) need to do it. Common, think about it, they have 3-4 guys 'actually' handling EDI for 2000-3000 vendors, and dealing with some of the startup pains, having to explain them (new vendors) how to setup EDI and how it should "look like". Please. By the way, most of Bar-Code graphics feedbacks make sense. Their testing equipment is very close to what TPs use on their side and in the way they 'help' us to avoid future chargebacks by running tests against our 'actual' labels. Also, if you use them frequently, sign up with them and get an account. You'd find that the pricing would appear more 'flexible'. No flaming please. Ilia -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Mattias Sent: Monday, October 03, 2005 3:09 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [BULK] Re: [EDI-L] Excellent EDI Article from Line 56 Importance: Low 10/3/05 Re SPS Commerce.... I heard from a 'very reliable source' that he once 'accidentally' sent some test invoices directly to a firm which had engaged SPS for testing/qualification and that since they passed (of course they did, because he couldn't hardly screw up an '810') that guy's client's was immediately approved for production, with a waiver of the requirement to go thru SPS. Damn, that 'very reliable source' was REALLY lucky, huh? But I doubt I could ^H^H^H^H^H^H^H he could get away with that too many more times.... Michael Mattias Tal Systems, Inc. Racine WI [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Please use the following Message Identifiers as your subject prefix: <SALES>, <JOBS>, <LIST>, <TECH>, <MISC>, <EVENT>, <OFF-TOPIC> Access the list online at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EDI-L Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] . Please use the following Message Identifiers as your subject prefix: <SALES>, <JOBS>, <LIST>, <TECH>, <MISC>, <EVENT>, <OFF-TOPIC> Access the list online at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EDI-L ________________________________ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS * Visit your group "EDI-L <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EDI-L> " on the web. * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> . ________________________________ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/A77XvD/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/OIFolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> . Please use the following Message Identifiers as your subject prefix: <SALES>, <JOBS>, <LIST>, <TECH>, <MISC>, <EVENT>, <OFF-TOPIC> Access the list online at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EDI-L Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EDI-L/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
