Thank you Louis,
regards,
David
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From: "Louis Suarez-Potts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2006 3:00 PM
Subject: Re: [marketing-educ] INGOT update
Hi David,
On 2006-07-13, at 13:57 , David wrote:
Hello Louis,
I believe your right there are debates in any organization.
But what concerns me is that we promote a product
without telling or showing them how to use it. I know
there are efforts out there doing just that, but their making
only so much progress. We should be mainstream after
so many years.
In our efforts to promote OO.o we must go the extra mile.
Not only OO.o but other Open Source software too. We seem
(The Open Source Community) to think that we done our job
making Open Source software mainstream. However, I'm saying
we must think outside of the box , so to speak, inorder to promote
OO.o. and being more patient with newcomers. We must explore
every avenue to promote OO.o including political, civil,
entertainment,
and charitable organizations. Whatever it takes as long as it legal.
Keep fighting the good fight! Thanks for listening.
I agree we need to "think out of the box,"--of course! but I also (to
sound like a really tired recording :-) think we always need to
respect others, as I am sure everyone on this list would agree. (I
am not saying anyone here is disrespecting others; merely describing
the logic of my actions.)
regards,
David Bumgardner
Jenkins, Kentucky
p.s. I'm trying to promote OO.o to a substance abuse center for men
and a women's (physically
abuse) center.
I recently installed 00.o on a computer for a horse riding
program for kids that are physically
and developmentally behind. If there is any one person or an
organization that uses a computer,
its to our benefit to introduce OO.o.
:-)
And I'd say to you, Keep fighting that good fight :-)
Cheers,
Louis
----- Original Message ----- From: "Louis Suarez-Potts"
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Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2006 9:33 AM
Subject: Re: [marketing-educ] INGOT update
Hi David,
Welcome!
On 2006-07-13, at 06:33 , David wrote:
[snip]
With the help of the Ingots organization we (PkPlug) have managed to
get a local 4 year Liberal Arts college to start using OO.o and
a Local Phone company and an ISP too. The local ISP passes out
00.o on disk with other Open Source software to their customers
for free. They have said our Linux Users' Grouup is responsible
for this.
However, Ingots is largely responsible for all this and to date
Ingots is yet
to be established in the area. This should say a lot about what
Ingots is
doing for the OO.o community.
This is fine. :-) It's not using the list to privilege X
organization over OOo and it is focusing on how OOo is being
advanced in schools-- the point of this list :-) I am not opposed
to Ingots nor have I ever said that Ingots (or any other org's)
work should be deprecated. I am rather insistent on the notion of
using OOo lists for OOo work impartially. Other groups have also
helped OOo get ahead; I'd like to have them feel that they are
free to represent their work here on behalf of OOo, provided it
is not just to toot their horn and not OOo's.
I take the chance that this is not overly simplistic. The kids
in the area
have to take drivers training when they reach 16 years. Consider
the
vehicle OO.o and the instructor that gives the training Ingots.
I apologize
in advance if this argument is none of my business.
It's not an argument. It's rather a clarification of using the
OOo lists. Debates are normal in any group situation, as we all
have different understandings of the situation and differ in our
understandings of others' understandings :-).
Cheers,
Louis
regards,
David Bumgardner
Jenkins, Kentucky.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Louis Suarez-Potts"
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To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 2:05 PM
Subject: Re: [marketing-educ] INGOT update
Hello all,
On 2006-07-12, at 13:37 , Ian Lynch wrote:
On Wed, 2006-07-12 at 13:03 -0400, Louis Suarez-Potts wrote:
No, it's not the perfect venue. If you want to publicize what
Ingot
is doing to other Ingot employees or associates, then please
use your
own lists, not OOo's.
I actually posted to a whole range of relevant lists such as
Schoolforge
UK and the Open Source Consortium. The only complaint I have so
far
experienced is here. Rather sad since the main idea was to
promote OOo
and others seem to have a much more positive view of this.
Complaint? I have actually not complained and am surprised you
see it as such. Rather, I have clarified what this list is
about. It is about OOo in schools. It is not about Ingot. If
you wish to post about Ingot, fine, just use your own lists.
Is that clear?
As you may have seen, I suggested other options, too. These are
available to all other companies that are involved with
furthering OOo. You are free to use them.
The point is to leave lists like this open to all.
Other people have posted here about their company education
initiatives
- here is an example from Gary Serda at Sun.
On Sat, 2004-04-17 at 18:52, Gary F. Serda wrote:
Great work everyone promoting OO to Education. Wanted to make
sure
everyone knew that Sun is offering free web-based training on
StarOffice
and other Sun technologies for education via the Sun Academic
Initiative. More info at www.sunacademic.com. Let me know if
you have
any questions.
I didn't notice any posts from you rebuking Sun at the time.
Hm. Gary's post is a little different from yours; but more to
the point, we didn't really have these other venues yet, or at
least not as defined as now, when he posted. But I would, now,
suggest to Gary and others that they use the venues I've
suggested. This is not a list to advertise work of the other
companies.
Mind, you are perfectly free to describe your work on
furthering OOo in schools in the UK and elsewhere.
So seems like its open to all except me, despite the fact that
over the
last 4 years or so I have spent a good deal of time helping
people here
with a wide range of educational issues.
No, actually, it's a matter of clarifying the policy on this
subject generally. In fact, you are not being singled out at
all. It is rather that several companies are using OOo
resources for advertisement. We would prefer that they pay for
advertisement. Believe me, few are as aware of the fine work
you have done to further OOo in UK schools as I. After all, if
you recall, I helped set up the OOoEdu project for you and was
an early champion. I respect the work you do; I should hope
you return the favour.
This is not a question of being closed minded, Adam, as you
surely
know. It is a question of keeping this list impartial and
open to all
involved in furthering OOo in schools throughout the world.
I'm sure
you understand that, too.
I can only assume this is a personal thing and I think other
people can
see that too.
Uh, no. It's not personal at all Ian. And, as mentioned, you
are free--and encouraged--to post to the newsletter and to
update the Solutions page. The point is to keep this list free
and impartial for all.
best,
Louis
Cheers,
Ian
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